Randuin's Versus Sunfire

[quote=AMcJV12]Why is it that all tanks seem to rush Sunfire first? Randuin's gives more HP and armor, has a nice active, and synergizes nicely with a cloth/4 pot start. Am I being a massive noob and missing something here? Sunfire's passive is nice, but is it THAT nice?[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I believe it's mostly because the passive is very useful for splitpushing as it helps you clear through minion waves considerably faster. Also, although the damage is affected pretty badly by MR it does add up quite quickly in extended close range trades (or teamfights) which are common in tanky top lanes. Being about 400 gold cheaper don't hurt either. Plus it looks pretty cool. I mean you get to walk around on fire dude.[/quote]

[quote=Isolanporzellator]I wouldn't "rush" a [[Randuin's Omen]], unless I am vs very AS reliant champs. I tend to get a [[Warden's Mail]] early if I went for armor start, but I do not bother upgrading it before midgame, as the active slow from Randuins is much stronger in teamfights in comparison to lane. [[Sunfire Cape]], however, is really strong if you get it early, before the enemy gets much hp or mr (It will hurt way more than randuins). You can also get it earlier because its cheaper. On top of that, it is still useful later on because of stronger pushing power and you still get a reasonable amount of damage on your opponents if you stand in their team. So, I think [[Sunfire Cape]]>[[Randuin's Omen]] in early game, while [[Randuin's Omen]]>[[Sunfire Cape]] in lategame teamfights. I guess it is easy to tell which of these two items is better to rush in most cases.[/quote]

[quote=SteppenKat]Because [[Sunfire Cape]], besides being cheaper, helps you better with trading, increases your DPS and allows you to waveclear better. Even VS melee carries or AA melee reliant champions, I would still build it before [[Randuin's Omen]] because these champions cannot hit you too hard if they're investing in defense, and if they want to hit you harder they are probably squishier and since AAing involves getting into a prolongued fight, you'll win the duel by sheer resilience and wearing down people (that's how a tank trades). Tanks usually have low damage and need cheap DPS sources. [[Sunfire Cape]] is the answer because BESIDES it also gives cost-efficient resistances. The only con it has is that it procs turret aggro.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]I was never a fan of sunfire, especially because i'm rather bad farmer.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=Pheyniex] I was never a fan of sunfire, especially because i'm rather bad farmer. [/quote] Ehm, [[sunfire cape]] makes farming way easier, you know that? So one more reason for you to get it.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=NicknameMy] [quote=Pheyniex] I was never a fan of sunfire, especially because i'm rather bad farmer. [/quote] Ehm, [[sunfire cape]] makes farming way easier, you know that? So one more reason for you to get it. [/quote] Not always, for example, when your minions are also attacking their minions. It throws off your last hits. Other than that, yes - [[sunfire cape]] helps clear waves quickly.[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000]i'd say rush sunfire and get randuin's mid/lategame if an enemy who relies on autos gets fed.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=NicknameMy] [quote=Pheyniex] I was never a fan of sunfire, especially because i'm rather bad farmer. [/quote] Ehm, [[sunfire cape]] makes farming way easier, you know that? So one more reason for you to get it. [/quote] i'm not going to spend 2,5k+ on an item just for farming. I'd rather spend that and be nearing a randuin's for my lategame, instead of insisting on a midgame item that loses it's effectiveness soon.[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe][quote=Pheyniex] i'm not going to spend 2,5k+ on an item just for farming. I'd rather spend that and be nearing a randuin's for my lategame, instead of insisting on a midgame item that loses it's effectiveness soon. [/quote] Not really, your spending 562g for the extra damage, which doesn't just help with farming, but also with lane pressure and short range fights. The armor and health stats alone are worth 2088g, and considering that 40 damage per second is actually quite a lot for 562g, it is a very good item.[/quote]