Season 4 Support Discussion

[quote=Joxuu]I don't see myself picking [[Taric]] even after the changes. It's not about him not being viable, but has far to be as useful as current strong supports. I've had best win/loose ratio and KDA with [[Taric]] since S2-S3, but at least I won't be picking him over [[nami]], [[sona]], [[thresh]] for example. [[Taric]] still has the old problems.[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=OTGBionicArm] You forgot to mention that hitting a champion with [[Starcall]] now reduces the CD on Astral blessing. :3 [/quote] This is kinda' a big deal. 'Cuz seriously, one of the biggest issues with Soraka is the long CD on her W. I'm going to be interested to see if this makes Soraka mid any stronger. Not because it'll be viable, since it never has been and never will be, but it's a hell of a lot of fun. Also, the changes to [[Glitterlance]] excite me. I want that increasing slow [[Wither]]-esque bullshit.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]I really don't see [[Blitzcrank]] getting a huge buff from the S4 changes. He is all about his Grab and knock up, so he doesn't really need items, even with items he seems kinda lackluster. The fact that other supports are going to be getting more gold and probably wil be able to do more with it seems like it will be a pretty huge indirect nerf to him.\ [[alistar]] is another champion I don't really see becoming that much better. He's actually pretty strong with items but I don't see it making him a strong pick. [[leona]] will be better in S4. She still is going to have her inherent problem of going in means going in, there's no out button for leona, and that might cause so problems with less vision. She's really good with items and becomes super tanky. I think she'll be slightly better, but in the same spot she is now. [[taric]] - I don't know that much about changes, but from what I've read theyre giving him scaling based off his armor, which makes the changes more late game oriented. I feel like [[taric]] is a very early game champion so these changes probably won't help him. But idk, I'd have to play aroudn with it [[Thresh]] - I feel like he'll be slightly worse because I don't think he's going to get as much out of items as other supports, but I think he'll be about the same as he has been all this season, just slightly less strong of a pick [[sona]] - I think she'll be stronger mid/late game weaker in lane. If I remember correctly they gave her AP scaling on her power chord and aura's, but nerfed their base. I really just don't know enough about her to comment. [[lulu]] - they're already buffing lulu's ult on the PBE, and I think she's going to be one of the strongest supports out of the gate. She's already really good with items and giving her more gold gives her access to these items. But they did nerf her E damage if i remember correctly. All in all I feel like these are huge buffs [[zyra]] - she's already really strong, giving her items is going to make her gamebreaking again [[soraka]] - heard she has a lot of changes, haven't seen them. She's still purely a sustain lane so I don't know if she'll be that much better, I think it depends on the meta. I don't think [[Fiddlesticks]] will be god mode, but he'll be a lot better since he has access to more AP. I'm not sure, I think he'll be a lot better but I can't see him being a god tier support just because of more gold. [[Janna]] - I think tehasian said it earlier, but her ratio's are so broken she's not even going to be played as a support she's going to be played mid. [[nami]] will probably be a top tier support. She's already really good and the AP scaling in some ways is a quality of life change. Ebb and Flow is a huge buff. All in all, I think AP supports will dominate even more than they have in the past. Giving Support [[Annie]] or [[Zyra]] more gold makes them even more busted than they already are. I can see AP mages with alot of utility; like [[Gragas]], [[Lissandra]], [[Syndra]], maybe [[Karma]], [[Galio]], [[anivia]] and [[Nidalee]] atleast being tested out. Specifically looking at [[gragas]] and [[syndra]] and [[anivia]] they all have pretty good base damage and utility so I can see them as possibilities. Not entirely sure some will probably be a miss. EDIT: Including a default S4 page i made via [url=http://preseason.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/masteries.html#0.3Cvo_ae.1-OOk.2WF5E9U0]Talent Calculator for S4[/url] [spoiler] [img]http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2805/10888680374_3906a36459_c.jpg[/img] [/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Honestly Moon, my logic is that tanks and true mages will be the OP supports of S4. If they do well in lane at all they become Win-more. Leona/Alistar/Thresh, or even Taric get a few kills in lane for themselves or their carry and suddenly they are unkillable roaming machines. Fiddles/Zyra/Annie or hell, I could even see Viktor, Gragas or a few other choice mages as supports getting kills and themselves becoming devasting roaming mage death machines. I'm a little bit afraid of supports this season, cause as I've said before, and I will keep saying it; Supports are now Win-moar.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=OTGBionicArm] Honestly Moon, my logic is that tanks and true mages will be the OP supports of S4. If they do well in lane at all they become Win-more. Leona/Alistar/Thresh, or even Taric get a few kills in lane for themselves or their carry and suddenly they are unkillable roaming machines. Fiddles/Zyra/Annie or hell, I could even see Viktor, Gragas or a few other choice mages as supports getting kills and themselves becoming devasting roaming mage death machines. I'm a little bit afraid of supports this season, cause as I've said before, and I will keep saying it; Supports are now Win-moar. [/quote] The support role is pretty much dead, just pick a high-utility mage and you should be fine.[/quote]

[quote=Jovy]I believe they are now called "Marksman Aids".[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=MissMaw] I believe they are now called "Marksman Aids". [/quote] Yeah they originally went with "The Person Being In The Same Lane As The Marksman Who Is Not Taking Creeps" but it wasn't as catchy.[/quote]

[quote=Jovy]I think it's quite catchy actually.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=OTGBionicArm]You forgot to mention that hitting a champion with [[Starcall]] now reduces the CD on Astral blessing. :3 [/quote] I totally did...ironically that was my favorite change to her.[/quote]

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