I rated the guide, you're wrong, it's bad, ****ing get over it already. You're completely missing points based on the fact that I curse and use swear words. What exactly is 'good' about your guide?

I have already given multiple points on why your guide is bad, but you continue to focus on the swearing. I have aptly answered all your questions and yet you still persist on focusing on the swearing. It doesn't sound like me who's mad. Go on, look at your last comment. Did you even address ANY of the points I raised? Nope, too butthurt. Go back to the lab and learn how to properly spec a support, please.

Lack of ability to use every day words? Mate, you can't even paragraph properly, gtfo. Since when have my words ever been lacking? In fact, I could argue that cursing adds to my vocabulary. Not only can I talk intelligently, but I can do it colourfully.

The builds on this guide are just random items put together.
I mean the support build was bad but build 4? Archangels staff on Nautilus??

Special mention goes to build 3 with the double spellblade passive and build 2 with Zhonyas and ruby sightstone though.

Stop putting random AP and tank items together.

Alright, for the all caps I have a comment just beneath it that explains it. Even now I had to erase the weird font stuff, was trying to underline it this time. As for you rating my guide, that's not the problem. You are just picking a fight and trying to insult me to make yourself feel better. I'm open to mature criticism, not immature whining. As long as you make comments like,"Yeah, guess who else can play that game, huh? I'm not here to be nice to you, I'm here to rate your guide. But honestly, if you can't deal with that, too bad," I will continue to remark that it is immature and not constructive. Finally, if you are here to rate the guide do so. Don't make comments that you aren't here to be nice, I'm aware of that. I want good criticism. Cussing isn't mature, it just shows a lack of knowledge on how to use typical every day words to express yourself as well as a severe lack of control over your own emotions, especially in something as trivial as this conversation.

You get some rep for that SmokedCarpenter. Thank you. I'm looking at a lot of your suggestions and liking them. As for items I always grab philo stone and sightstone, and just mention other items you can grab just for people to keep in mind. I understand that the other two builds confuses people though, yours and the first comment makes that pretty clear, so I'll clean that up later. As for magic pen marks I grab hybrid in one of my suggestions just because it helps him with his staggering blow when you go for that initiation. Really enjoy good feedback like this, thanks.

Seriously, calm the **** down. You typed in all-caps, what was I suppose to think? I didn't attack you. I just called your guide bad. I did express that. I'm pretty sure I made it as certain as I could. And cussing isn't a childish thing to do, btw. That you say so implies that those who cuss are childish when this isn't necessarily the case. That is extremely condescending and very rude and can easily be considered an attack.

Yeah, guess who else can play that game, huh? I'm not here to be nice to you, I'm here to rate your guide. But honestly, if you can't deal with that, too bad.

Leona is nothing like Nautilus. She excels at being in the middle of the enemy without the need for items because of her W buff and passive. Nautilus has no such luxury, being extremely item dependent. Even though he must be at the frontlines to be effective, he must also be tanky enough not to die. That Nautilus's shields only increase by 50 each level means you can survive less than half an autoattack. He requires a great deal of hp in order for it to work effectively. Otherwise he's just going to take 2 autos at best and he loses his shield + extra damage.

If you are looking to the next season, that's fine, but in that case, my reason for downvoting changes for writing a guide about the new season before even being able to test the effects of the new season. You know nothing about how the changes will affect Nautilus yet, because you are unable to test it in a real environment.

In addition, Leona's passive means that she increases the damage of her allies, whilst Nautilus has no such buff. I don't know why you brought Amumu into this equation, he's not even a support, he's a jungler. Just because one skill is the same doesn't suddenly make them the same or similar champions.

As I said, Nautilus's CC is nice, but again, he's a frontline champion who is item-dependent. His shield is item reliant to be effective, whereas Leona's does not.

CC is not all there is to a support, y'know.

In any case, your item choices are still poor (as in 95% of them are **** choices), so unless you completely overhaul the items, this guide will always be downvoted. So trust me when I say that your guide will not get very far (and if it does, it doesn't deserve to be).

damnit why'd you have to go and be polite? Now I guess I HAVE to help you. SO:
-movespeed or gold quints
-flat armor seals
-scaling MR glyphs
-magic pen marks i guess....idk
-Boots: mobility is fine but also merc treads alternative
-Items: Philo stone, sightstone, locket is core then build **** like ruby sightstone, twin shadows, shurelyia's, lvl2 boots, randuin's omen, frozen heart, spirit visage?
-021/9 masteries are probably a better choice but up to you
-guide itself needs visual work can't help you with that i suck lolz

That made me laugh, thanks for the comment. If you have any more specific advice for the guide I'd appreciate.... and you have heard of me eh?

so much walls O' text in comments.....

Me: this just might be the worst support nautilus guide I've ever heard of!

Guide: ...ah, but you have heard of me!

anyone? anyone? k....i'll just be going now

I do appreciate the better effort at explaining your criticisms. However, don't write comments meant to insult and expect to be left alone. As for some of the reasons for my choices on this build, I'm looking at the preseason changes, their going to be big for support. Finally, please if you are going to respond you don't have to insult. I want this guide to be good, and if I get feedback I'll respond the best I can, but if you act like the guide is a personal offense than you are way too invested in something that is just a game. I'm alright with you disagreeing, simply express that. There's no need to cuss and throw a tantrum like a child. I'm not attacking you, I'm trying to build a guide and improve upon it. I'll keep some of your advice in mind as we go into the preseason, but I don't plan on doing any big changes until the preseason updates begin since they will drastically change the way supports work. As for his grab, while your right it does extend him a little, I have never had an issue with that. I say this in the guide, but he has a shield. Use it. Max it first. His CC is far superior to most other supports in bot, and the one who can be argued has comparable amounts is Leona, who if you look at has a grab-like mechanic similar to Amumu's, it pulls her all the way out to them. And while she has an armor ability and CC to help her survive that... well Nautilus has CC and a shield so you can't really argue that without me bringing those facts up anyways.

Holy ****, if you want me to even read what you just wrote, turn off the caps lock. I'm going blind just looking at it. Jesus-****ing-Christ.

Answer number 1: No, I don't have to make suggestions for runes. But, %hp Quints and scaling AP blues? I know his AP ratios are nice, but since you're not going for damage (or at least, you shouldn't be), the AP is negligible on him since you're not abusing it early game and it doesn't see a spike until much later.

I don't care wtf you start. Your guide says to start rejuv + faerie + 1 ward + 1 pot as an option. THIS IS NEVER AN OPTION.

Ignite should be taken in like 80% of support choices now. Did you not watch the World Championships? Ignite was picked on support in nearly 100% of the games. It bursts through the opponent, but it will never outdamage your ADC. And in the rare chance that it does get the kill, better to get a kill than nothing at all.

You should never start Amplifying Tome. You can keep the -1 for that. There are absolutely 0 champions who should ever start Amplifying Tome. Therefore, suggesting Clairvoyance when you start Amplifying Tome is twice as stupid.

Look, I will give you a half-effort reply if you give a half effort guide. You're lucky that I wrote as much as I did. This guide is complete and utter trash and on top of that, I gave multiple reasons why your guide is bad. So don't you ****ing turn around and accuse me of giving you a half-effort reply. Be glad I commented at all.

Now you better thank me for what I'm about to write.

The support's job atm is just to provide warding and utility. Nautilus is a champion that requires a great deal of items in order to excel, which he simply can't get in support. When he drags himself towards the enemy, he risks getting himself killed a lot more easily. On the other hand, Thresh will drag you towards him before choosing to make a dive, a luxury that Nautilus does not have. His lantern will also generally ensure he has support. The same goes with Blitzcrank. Since it pulls the enemy completely to his location, the distance is quite far, meaning he can stay within distance of his allies in order to make the grab. On top of this, Blitzcrank has great mobility through Overdrive to roam and ward the map. Nautilus, on the other hand, has NO CHOICE but to drag himself forward and is INCREDIBLY slow without Mobility Boots. Whilst he may have the most CC in the game, he is far too much of a frontline champion, making him incredibly item and gold dependent, something which supports this season just simply don't have.

In any case, your items are complete and utter ********.

There seems to be some sort of glitch on my computer where whenever I go to click for quick reply it automatically attempts to give it some sort of font change. Not sure what the cause is, but I will now start double checking this is not happening, especially with the last post being obnoxiously big