Question for Diamonds and Plats: How are these...

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=Xiaowiriamu][[Hecarim]] - doesn't work for top anymore, in jungle hes still viable and a good threat, so would say hes good for ranked, out of all the junglers, hecarim in my opinion is still in the top 3. alongside vi and sej.[/quote] Top 3 with [[Sejuani]]? o_o Over [[Elise]], [[Lee Sin]], [[Shyvana]], [[Jarvan IV]], [[Evelynn]]? I am by no means a jungle main, but this smells like bias to me :P @ Pølse We've had this discussion before, yes [[Renekton]] doesn't necessarily stomp [[Irelia]] as hard as some people think and she [i]can[/i] win if she makes it through the early game (though I wouldnt say she beats him after level 5, try 7 or 8), but generally he should still beat her. Anyway eh OP's question was aimed at plat/diamond players so eh ya *cough* [h5]*backs away slowly*[/h5][/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Irelia indeed has a window between level ~7-9 and the moment renekton gets a sunfire cape, but once he has that, it is pretty much over for her. Renekton generally won't kill her, but he can just push all day and force her to base occasionally.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]Yeah, Renek beats Irelia.[/quote]

[quote=Xiaowiriamu][quote=Wayne3100] [quote=Xiaowiriamu][[Hecarim]] - doesn't work for top anymore, in jungle hes still viable and a good threat, so would say hes good for ranked, out of all the junglers, hecarim in my opinion is still in the top 3. alongside vi and sej.[/quote] Top 3 with [[Sejuani]]? o_o Over [[Elise]], [[Lee Sin]], [[Shyvana]], [[Jarvan IV]], [[Evelynn]]? I am by no means a jungle main, but this smells like bias to me :P @ Pølse We've had this discussion before, yes [[Renekton]] doesn't necessarily stomp [[Irelia]] as hard as some people think and she [i]can[/i] win if she makes it through the early game (though I wouldnt say she beats him after level 5, try 7 or 8), but generally he should still beat her. Anyway eh OP's question was aimed at plat/diamond players so eh ya *cough* [h5]*backs away slowly*[/h5] [/quote] Hah slightly bias :D but i have my reasons :3[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]I might be stupid and all but it just seems to me that irelia wins the lane because 1: She can easily disengage from a renekton in case of a gank 2: She can outtrade him in prolonged trades that she can force him into if he wants to aggressively harrass 3: She's one of the few champions who can effectively aid in ganking a renekton. 4: She's one of the best "turret" farmers The only way you'll lose to renekton with irelia is if you fall behind really hard early or run out of mana. To get on-topic: Out of the champs you mentioned jax top and swain top are both really strong picks who both deal with most champions.[/quote]

[quote=Xiaowiriamu][quote=Pølsemanden] I might be stupid and all but it just seems to me that irelia wins the lane because 1: She can easily disengage from a renekton in case of a gank [color=#ff0000]so can most tops[/color] 2: She can outtrade him in prolonged trades that she can force him into if he wants to aggressively harrass [color=#ff0000]renekton is a much more viable top, in terms of cs, team composition and compatability. A good renekton vs a good irelia, most cases the renekton will win, irelia will fall behind sooner or later, either by a gank, or having to go back due to harass or renekton freezing lane later on where hes stronger[/color] 3: She's one of the few champions who can effectively aid in ganking a renekton.[color=#ff0000] hmm most tops can effectively aid a gank vs renekton, also it depends who your jungler is, and how far pushed the renekton is.[/color] 4: She's one of the best "turret" farmers [color=#ff0000]Any top is a good "turret farmer" its all about timing, even poppy is a good turret farmer, i barely miss any minion when a turret is aiding me...but the reason irelia is farming at her turret in the first place is because renekton is better, renekton could then roam, or take his jungler whilst you farm at turret, to which point your turret is taking damage over time.[/color] The only way you'll lose to renekton with irelia is if you fall behind really hard early or run out of mana. To get on-topic: Out of the champs you mentioned jax top and swain top are both really strong picks who both deal with most champions. [/quote][/quote]

[quote=Le Pro of d00m][quote=LevasK] [[Katarina]]-Bad. I can go in depth later if you want. [/quote] Please do[/quote]

[quote=Kazega]Yeah, I've heard Katarina is Tier 1 or 2 now. I'm not so sure which because she was tier 1 with the Jinx patch and I was able to ride her up to Silver because I knew her so well (first champ ever and rode her to level 30). It's because of the resets she has in her passive. you can drop multiple multi target adn AoE spells with a few seconds of each other depend on how fast they all die. If 3 or 4 people die you get to press R for a second ultimate within 10 second of the 1st. all you need is a good engage and the CC to not fall on you.[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]I've also picked up Katarina for my mid in rankeds and went like 3-1 with her. Over the week I have 9-2. So she is indeed pretty strong now. Obviously, some picks still outshine her, and especially counter her, but I guess she is fine for low elos.[/quote]

[quote=Azalea][quote=Vynertje] [[ryze]] used to be great but got nerfed, still playable though [/quote] *links thread to throat* huehue[/quote]