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But you said a few comments ago that supports like Leona and Thresh were good supports despite their lack of sustain. You're kind of contradicting yourself... Plus, any champion played half decently can "take advantage of enemy mistakes".
There are some supports that are better at it than others, which is the statement I'm trying to make. A playmaking kit makes them very effective at this, like
Thresh and Leona. Every champion is suposed to take advantage of mistakes regardless.
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GrandmasterD wrote:
If you think that supports are here to hold the adc's hand and provide them with health, mana and vision then you're playing the wrong game honey. Supports are one of the biggest early- and mid-game damage dealers while also providing overall high utility and/or crowd control.
Karma, Annie and Zyra are prime examples of mages who are extremely good when played in the support role because they're heavily item-independent, pack a lot of utility and scale well with items.I agree with some champions you've listed such as
Shen, Maokai, Teemo, Ashe and Gangplank. However all others are capable of fulfilling the role as support just fine ( Elise being kind of on the edge as her laning has been nerfed severely ever since it was introduced).Traditional supports such as
Sona, Janna and Taric cannot compete with these champions in terms of laning power even though they match them in utility. They do, however, trump them on item-independentness but that's not really as valuable anymore ever since the S4 patch as overall gold flow got dramatically increased.tl;dr Get your head out of your arse and start facing the facts, and the current metagame; supports require utility for mid- and late-game but require damage for the laning phase in order to apply pressure and keep their carry out of harm's way.
P.S. I have nothing against you ranting, but if you do it in the form of a thread, at least let your information be correct.
*********************************The playmaking kit thing, have I not mentioned this several times?
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FantasySniper wrote:
- Zyra: Huge playmaking potential with Stranglethorns and Grasping Roots.
- Karma: Has essentially a built-in Talisman of Ascension with Defiance.
Also she is quit the sieger with Liandry's Torment + Soulflare. - LeBlanc: Good peel with her arsenal of silences and snares. Offers huge lane pressure.
- Annie: Gigantic AoE stun that can be a counter-initiate or a full-blown initiate in conjuction with Flash.
I dont know what everyone is actually raging about here.
I mean, every support on the list above is outclassed by other supports except for Annie, where every Annie player will ks the ADC and say it was their fault about half a dozen times, and Karma, who I haven't seen in a ranked game but probably has the same issue.
The issue isnt because they do only damage, its because they all get beaten by Lulu, Leona, etc.
Also anyone who plays Ashe support, based on my experience, is just trying to be an ADC and can drop dead.
I mean, every support on the list above is outclassed by other supports except for Annie, where every Annie player will ks the ADC and say it was their fault about half a dozen times, and Karma, who I haven't seen in a ranked game but probably has the same issue.
The issue isnt because they do only damage, its because they all get beaten by Lulu, Leona, etc.
Also anyone who plays Ashe support, based on my experience, is just trying to be an ADC and can drop dead.
Basically MOBAFire.
To add to the madness, I approve playing every single on of these supports at every level of play. The problem you should have is not with the champion, but rather the player who can't seem to play unorthodox supports to the level expected. For one measly example, I've played Lee Sin support and **** on people in my tier. Regardless, it isn't about the champ. It's about the player who picks teemo and doesn't know how to auto attack when they come into range, or blind the adc in fights, or generally does nothing but get killed and die, or the Shen who goes in, gets a double taunt and doesn't see your health bar is at 100 hp. Or the idiot who goes Ashe support and spams arrows, taking cs, missing the enemy, dying profusely, not warding, and generally just playing support because they didn't get adc.
In the end it's the guy/gal on the other end of the line, not the tool given to them.
In the end it's the guy/gal on the other end of the line, not the tool given to them.
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I agree with some champions you've listed such as
Traditional supports such as
tl;dr Get your head out of your arse and start facing the facts, and the current metagame; supports require utility for mid- and late-game but require damage for the laning phase in order to apply pressure and keep their carry out of harm's way.
P.S. I have nothing against you ranting, but if you do it in the form of a thread, at least let your information be correct.