I want to send a public message.

[quote=FantasySniper]Rant: DO NOT PLAY THE LISTED AS SUPPORTS: [[Zilean]] [[Lux]]* [[Annie]]* [[Kayle]] [[Karma]]* [[Teemo]] [[Nidalee]]* [[Maokai]] [[Gangplank]], [[Shen]], [[Elise]], [[Galio]]*, [[Ashe]], [[Leblanc]] (Yes, some of these have actually been played as "supports") *Only if you have sufficient skill and/or a direct line of communication to take advantage of your playmaking kit. I'm sick and tired of getting landed with these idiots that think they can play any champion they want, grab [[Sightstone]] and any of the three supportive gold income items and call them themselves support. Half the time they grab a [[DORAN'S RING]] and attempt to sustain themselves and their terrible pokes by stealing CS. Arguments I've gotten as to why they can be successful supports: [spoiler] 1. They deal damage and it's your fault if you can't execute. The fucking stupidest excuse ever. It is not the support's job to deal damage, it is their job to sustain their partner and keep them on a platform to execute the enemy if they make mistakes. The main flaw in this is that they think that getting kills is the ultimate priority of an ADC during the laning phase. It is not. The main job is to achieve farm and deny the enemy theirs by any means necessary; keeping them zoned, pushed to tower, or even dead. The worst thing is that any legitimate support easily counter these outputters by protecting their mate with shields and/or heals, making any damage output worthless over any period of time longer than the cooldown of their abilities. And if it doesn't become worthless, it only ends up feeding the support, who doesn't even need the gold to begin with, and they accomplish their goal of skipping the supportive role and becoming another AP carry or the like on a team that would much rather have the damage output of an AD carry. 2. They offer a utility unprecedented by other supports. This is always the argument one gets when groaning about [[Nidalee]]. Apparently [[Bushwhack / Pounce]] are "basically free wards" they say. Not true. Any real ward keeps the enemy visible for as long as they're present in its rather large field of vision, not visible for a measly 2 seconds only IF they trigger it in the first place. [[Zilean]] has longer ranged damage than other supports because he can attach his [[Time Bomb]] to allies and enemies. So does [[Lulu]] if you attach Pix using [[Help, Pix!]] onto anything that is targetable and then use [[Glitterlance]] to send a shot from Pix. In fact, [[Lulu]] is just a better [[Zilean]] all 'round; both have speed, but one ([[Lulu]]) has a silence; both have a delayed ranged attack that attach to targets, but one (again: [[Lulu]]) has a dual slow and damage output that is not restricted by a timed detonation, both have an ultimate that can save teammates, but one (for the last time: [[Lulu]]!) prevents that death in the first place and doesn't require the death of your ally to be at all useful. In fact, most other abilities that are supposedly unique to that kit can found in another, but only better to the point of making it totally unnecessary! Just look at [[Ashe]]'s [[Frost Shot]]: it's worse than [[Nami]]'s [[Tidecaller's Blessing]]! [/spoiler] tl;dr stop playing support if you don't know how be supportive. /rant.[/quote]

[quote=aDaptor][quote]It is not the support's job to deal damage[/quote] In this meta, it is. Deal with it. [quote]The main flaw in this is that they think that getting kills is the ultimate priority of being an ADC[/quote] Why not do it the quick way earnig eraly kills instead using 2x the time by only farming. Killing you enemy keeps them away from the lane DENYING them FARM being able to DESTROY TURRETS. [quote]tl;dr stop playing support if you don't know how be supportive. /rant.[/quote] If your enemy dies first, you adc don't die. isn't that supportive enough for you?[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend]There is only one champ that cannot and may not be played as a support, and that is [[nidalee]]. Rest is fine IMO. I'm baffled by the fact that [[ashe]], [[annie]], [[karma]], [[lux]] and [[elise]] are to be found in your list. I can still understand your rant though, because I think it's easy to fail with some of those champions.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I dunno why you felt the need to include Annie and Karma, they're both pretty easy to play as well as being strong picks. Your argument for 1. doesn't make much sense and also contradicts itself. The support's job in lane is to get the ADC through early game by making plays that get them ahead or stop them getting behind. Getting kills is the best way of getting ahead. Dealing damage is also one of the best ways to protect your ADC and zone away enemies in lane because an enemy that's dead/really low health isn't going to be able to hurt them or get close enough to farm. Being able to deal damage and secure kills is much more useful than having shields or sustain right now as you can see by looking at the list of supports who see play.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]I call complete bullshit. First off, people can play whatever the fuck they want. Deal with it. You can be mad about it sure, but that isn't stopping me from taking [[mundo]] down bot lane to have fun with cleaver spam. And, seriously, you listed [[annie]], [[karma]], [[kayle]]? I didn't even bother with the spoiler.[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][quote=Luther3000] I dunno why you felt the need to include Annie and Karma, they're both pretty easy to play as well as being strong picks. Your argument for 1. doesn't make much sense and also contradicts itself. The support's job in lane is to get the ADC through early game by making plays that get them ahead or stop them getting behind. Getting kills is the best way of getting ahead. Dealing damage is also one of the best ways to protect your ADC and zone away enemies in lane because an enemy that's dead/really low health isn't going to be able to hurt them or get close enough to farm. Dealing damage is much more useful than having shields or sustain right now. [/quote] [quote=FantasySniper]It is not the support's job to deal damage, it is their job to sustain their partner and keep them on a platform to execute the enemy if they make mistakes.[/quote] [quote=aDaptor] In this meta, it is. Deal with it. Why not do it the quick way earnig eraly kills instead using 2x the time by only farming. Killing you enemy keeps them away from the lane DENYING them FARM being able to DESTROY TURRETS. If your enemy dies first, you adc don't die. isn't that supportive enough for you?[/quote] [quote=FantasySniper]It is not. The main job is to achieve farm and deny the enemy theirs by any means necessary; keeping them zoned, pushed to tower, or even dead.[/quote][/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]1. Some of those champions are extremely viable as support simply because they do more damage than some other supports. 2. Some of those champions have extremely good niche abilities that are better than others in certain situations (eg Ashe vs Nami - Nami is generally better, but Ashe is better in niche situations) Also, it's obvious you're stuck in like, s2 support meta. Supports are pretty easily made into AP carries, and that's kind of the point that Riot wanted to happen. For example I believe Annie and Karma are perma ban as supports, although I haven't played in a long time so perhaps I'm wrong there.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]I'll play whoever the fuck I want.[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][quote=luizdeh] And, seriously, you listed [[annie]], [[karma]], [[kayle]]? I didn't even bother with the spoiler. [/quote][quote=FantasySniper]*Only if you have sufficient skill and/or a direct line of communication to take advantage of your playmaking kit.[/quote] It bothers me how most of these arguments seem as if you haven't read into the TP enough...[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=FantasySniper]It is not the support's job to deal damage, it is their job to sustain their partner and keep them on a platform to execute the enemy if they make mistakes.[/quote] You're absolutely wrong, and quoting your original statement without addressing anyone's counterpoints does not constitute an argument. Name a single sustain support that sees any competitive play (spoiler: there are none).[/quote]