Why isn't anyone talking about the Nidalee Rework?

[quote=Lugignaf]The new hunt passive isn't going to be useful at all. You get vision and MS on them in cougar form, if I remember right. Also, your next [b]cougar form[/b] ability gets bonus damage. Basically, they're turning her from "AP sniper/AD bruiser" into "AP bruiser only plz" since you have to go into cougar to get your full damage. Also, it doesn't seem like the AS buff is taken off of [[primal surge]]. At least, it's not mentioned anywhere in the initial post. Might have been said in the comments. EDIT: The AS buff from [[Primal surge]] isn't going away.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I wish nothing less than absolute deletion on this champion. :3[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000]no, they should just nerf her until she is absolutely unplayable so that everyone can get revenge[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][quote=Mooninites]She got some quality of life changes, like pounce and swipe as well as cougar at level 1. But those should have been introduced without nerfs. It's simply an update to [[Nidalee]] to bring her in line with the likes of [[Jayce]] and [[Elise]]; I don't really consider those appropriate buffs. The nerfs far outweigh the buffs at this point. We don't know base numbers or ratios, but these nerfs look like they hurt both bruiser and AP nidalee. The lower spear damage is probably the death of AP nidalee. You're not going to be able to rely on your spears as the sole source of damage from what it sounds like. What baffles me is why they would not give her bonus Armor and MR again in cougar. Since you can't rely on spear damage and have to rely on cougar form you're forced into building ap or ad bruiser. The [[takedown]] changes could be good they could be bad. We'll have to see numbers, from what I've read she'll still have an AD ratio in addition to an AP ratio and it will deal magic damage. But since you no longer do bonus damage based on % health, it sounds like you'll be relying on your new hunt passive for more damage. In any case I think it's a pretty big nerf, that execute was what made bruiser nid really strong, she was able to trade and win trades through her heal and wearing opponents down by progressively doing more each trade. The removal of the attack speed steroid on [[Primal Surge]] is also a pretty big deal, it hurts bruiser [[Nidalee]] a lot. I don't think the heal value will hurt her that much, Nid's heal had a very mediocre-to-subpar base value with a really high ratio (0.7). [/quote] Excuse me, I had trouble following your tone. You're being sarcastic, right? Nidalee needs to be taken down a notch and given the same level of play that other champions have. As is, the entire argument against this is "Spear is her sole damage output when building AP, and you shouldn't be changing that for the better"...[/quote]

[quote=Kazega][quote=FantasySniper] [quote=Mooninites]She got some quality of life changes, like pounce and swipe as well as cougar at level 1. But those should have been introduced without nerfs. It's simply an update to [[Nidalee]] to bring her in line with the likes of [[Jayce]] and [[Elise]]; I don't really consider those appropriate buffs. The nerfs far outweigh the buffs at this point. We don't know base numbers or ratios, but these nerfs look like they hurt both bruiser and AP nidalee. The lower spear damage is probably the death of AP nidalee. You're not going to be able to rely on your spears as the sole source of damage from what it sounds like. What baffles me is why they would not give her bonus Armor and MR again in cougar. Since you can't rely on spear damage and have to rely on cougar form you're forced into building ap or ad bruiser. The [[takedown]] changes could be good they could be bad. We'll have to see numbers, from what I've read she'll still have an AD ratio in addition to an AP ratio and it will deal magic damage. But since you no longer do bonus damage based on % health, it sounds like you'll be relying on your new hunt passive for more damage. In any case I think it's a pretty big nerf, that execute was what made bruiser nid really strong, she was able to trade and win trades through her heal and wearing opponents down by progressively doing more each trade. The removal of the attack speed steroid on [[Primal Surge]] is also a pretty big deal, it hurts bruiser [[Nidalee]] a lot. I don't think the heal value will hurt her that much, Nid's heal had a very mediocre-to-subpar base value with a really high ratio (0.7). [/quote] Excuse me, I had trouble following your tone. You're being sarcastic, right? Nidalee needs to be taken down a notch and given the same level of play that other champions have. As is, the entire argument against this is "Spear is her sole damage output when building AP, and you shouldn't be changing that for the better"... [/quote]sounds like someone doesn't know how to dodge.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]The Ratio on Javelin toss is the major issue here. Like if they nerf Javelin toss by about 750 damage at max range, then i'm happy. Otherwise I'm pissed.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Kazega] sounds like someone doesn't know how to dodge. [/quote] Dodging is fine and dandy, but even a bad nidalee will eventually get one good spear by sheer luck. And that one spear can make or break a team. And it's stupid.[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000]It is also obnoxious that she can deal SO much damage while being so far away and even if you manage to get close enough to be able to damage her, she can easily get away with her jump thingy.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]It doesn't matter if you dodge 100 spears, if she hits a single one at the right moment it can literally decide the game. That's a big problem when it's a low cooldown, huge range ability with no real tradeoff for spamming on a champion who's extremely safe. AP Nidalee is probably the most anti-fun thing in League right now - even her own team isn't having fun because they have to play completely around her and avoid fights. So yeah, fk Nidalee.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]is it just me or is it only nidalee players that say "learn to dodge"[/quote]