Why isn't anyone talking about the Nidalee Rework?

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=DillButt64] is it just me or is it only nidalee players that say "learn to dodge" [/quote] Mostly. ignorant people who don't play Nidalee also do it. Also the people that ban her because "my allies never dodge" do it.[/quote]

[quote=Kazega][quote=DillButt64] is it just me or is it only nidalee players that say "learn to dodge" [/quote]As a Nidalee player, I am pretty sure it's just you. Moon, as a fellow Nidalee player do you have any input on this?[/quote]

[quote=BlueArtist]That post by Riot Repertoir. They mentioned about fixing the spear, which currently it increases in height when it is fired and now they are testing on changing the spear to that as it travels, it goes towards the ground. Thats their idea of a "fix". Going towards the topic of "Hunt", it lasts 3 seconds. What does it really do? When you hit a spear, and you switch to cougar, how much time does t already take? They mentioned the increased [[Pounce]] range to be around Jax's [[Leap Strike]]. However your spear is 1500units at max distance, and so how are you gonna use that 3 seconds? Also pounce is 4.5 - 6 seconds. And Cougar form at level 1. Bushwhack. They are testing on making it on a % health damage. Still, for now it will be kind of hard to fight tanky champions. Still can't accept the change in [[Takedown]], I mean its like, Hybrid Penetration exists. And they wanted to "unify" the damage type. Explain Ezreal and Jax etc. It just makes no sense. However I am looking forward to trying the new kit. Hope it doesnt destroy her, although Riot said they don't want to eliminate AD Nidalee but thats also what they claimed for AP Yi. Waiting for the Woad Scout Quinn tho.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Nidalee players are like: "It doesn't matter if you dodge my spear, I have other ways to deal damage"[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=FantasySniper] [quote=Mooninites]She got some quality of life changes, like pounce and swipe as well as cougar at level 1. But those should have been introduced without nerfs. It's simply an update to [[Nidalee]] to bring her in line with the likes of [[Jayce]] and [[Elise]]; I don't really consider those appropriate buffs. The nerfs far outweigh the buffs at this point. We don't know base numbers or ratios, but these nerfs look like they hurt both bruiser and AP nidalee. The lower spear damage is probably the death of AP nidalee. You're not going to be able to rely on your spears as the sole source of damage from what it sounds like. What baffles me is why they would not give her bonus Armor and MR again in cougar. Since you can't rely on spear damage and have to rely on cougar form you're forced into building ap or ad bruiser. The [[takedown]] changes could be good they could be bad. We'll have to see numbers, from what I've read she'll still have an AD ratio in addition to an AP ratio and it will deal magic damage. But since you no longer do bonus damage based on % health, it sounds like you'll be relying on your new hunt passive for more damage. In any case I think it's a pretty big nerf, that execute was what made bruiser nid really strong, she was able to trade and win trades through her heal and wearing opponents down by progressively doing more each trade. The removal of the attack speed steroid on [[Primal Surge]] is also a pretty big deal, it hurts bruiser [[Nidalee]] a lot. I don't think the heal value will hurt her that much, Nid's heal had a very mediocre-to-subpar base value with a really high ratio (0.7). [/quote] Excuse me, I had trouble following your tone. You're being sarcastic, right? Nidalee needs to be taken down a notch and given the same level of play that other champions have. As is, the entire argument against this is "Spear is her sole damage output when building AP, and you shouldn't be changing that for the better"... [/quote] I fail to see how Nidalee is a notch above other champions. If she was a notch above every other champion she'd be a first pick or first ban champion, she's not really. [quote=jimmydoggga2.0] The Ratio on Javelin toss is the major issue here. [/quote] It's a .65 ratio, the majority of its damage comes from bonus damage off distance. They're entirely different things [quote] Nidalee players are like: "It doesn't matter if you dodge my spear, I have other ways to deal damage" [/quote] except she doesn't [quote=Luther3000] It doesn't matter if you dodge 100 spears, if she hits a single one at the right moment it can literally decide the game. That's a big problem when it's a low cooldown, huge range ability with no real tradeoff for spamming on a champion who's extremely safe. AP Nidalee is probably the most anti-fun thing in League right now - even her own team isn't having fun because they have to play completely around her and avoid fights. So yeah, fk Nidalee. [/quote] There are a lot of champions like this. I think [[Ziggs]] is a far worse offender than [[Nidalee]] in terms of power. Yes, he won't chunk you with one Q, but you can't hold a tower against a [[Ziggs]], you can't siege against a [[Ziggs]]. You consider [[Nidalee]] anti-fun because you allow her to exploit her strengths. That's kind of the problem, people allow [[Nidalee]] to play off her strengths. [[Nidalee]] has a lot of flaws, try exploiting them[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Mooninites] I fail to see how Nidalee is a notch above other champions. If she was a notch above every other champion she'd be a first pick or first ban champion, she's not really. [/quote] She's not exactly a 100% pick/ban, but I'd say she does get picked or banned in a large number of games in competitive and high Elo solo q. [quote=Mooninites] There are a lot of champions like this. I think [[Ziggs]] is a far worse offender than [[Nidalee]] in terms of power. Yes, he won't chunk you with one Q, but you can't hold a tower against a [[Ziggs]], you can't siege against a [[Ziggs]]. You consider [[Nidalee]] anti-fun because you allow her to exploit her strengths. That's kind of the problem, people allow [[Nidalee]] to play off her strengths. [[Nidalee]] has a lot of flaws, try exploiting them [/quote] I can't really argue with you there, I think Ziggs is pretty anti-fun too, though at least he has much lower mobility and he can't heal people for half their health. I agree she has flaws and weaknesses but it doesn't change that it's still a very frustrating champion to play against.[/quote]

[quote=Jack Rubino]As long as riot will kill her, im in peace with the universe.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I actually like the direction of Riot's planned changes. Only problem I see with what they are doing is that they are trying to force a "chunk them then execute them as kitty" rotation which 100% exactly Elise's pattern.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=OTGBionicArm] I actually like the direction of Riot's planned changes. Only problem I see with what they are doing is that they are trying to force a "chunk them then execute them as kitty" rotation which 100% exactly Elise's pattern. [/quote] that's already what she does. Her Q is already an execute that scales off their missing health.[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][quote=OTGBionicArm]I actually like the direction of Riot's planned changes. Only problem I see with what they are doing is that they are trying to force a "chunk them then execute them as kitty" rotation which 100% exactly Elise's pattern. [/quote] Yeah, the whole "switchy thing" makes it more complicated than it needs to be. If it was a temporary transformation (Think [[Quinn]]'s [[Tag Team]]), instead of almost twice the available kit, it wouldn't be this difficult to balance out her offensive power and utility at the same time. [quote=DillButt64] Is it just me or is it only nidalee players that say "learn to dodge" [/quote] Not just you. Not just you... I could go full rant mode about circlejerks, right now, but I just don't feel like it.[/quote]