7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Mooninites][quote=NorthernRedStar] Why are people saying Corki has bad/mediocre early game? [/quote] I didn't say he has a bad early game, just that there are a lot of ADCs that have a better early game than him [quote=FalseoGod] Not even sure how corki gets out traded by tristana early game but w/e [/quote] [[tristana]] has the strongest all-in out of every ADC at level 2. She's stronger than most at level 6[/quote]

[quote=NorthernRedStar][quote=Mooninites][quote=NorthernRedStar] Why are people saying Corki has bad/mediocre early game? [/quote] I didn't say he has a bad early game, just that there are a lot of ADCs that have a better early game than him [quote=FalseoGod] Not even sure how corki gets out traded by tristana early game but w/e [/quote] [[tristana]] has the strongest all-in out of every ADC at level 2. She's stronger than most at level 6[/quote] [embed=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXFsx1i_D50&list=UUWIfnDrWU_Cvc1a8qZribhA&index=5] (A few patches old, still worth a watch) Lucian >>> every other ADC early. Including Tristana. Yes, people greatly exaggerate her 'mediocre early/mid game' as she's actually pretty strong at earlier levels, but saying she has the best all-in at level 2 is not true. She lacks burst and her DPS-boosts are not buff enough yet. Her level 6, once again, is greatly underappreciated, but not amongst the absolute strongest anymore. Most ADCs out-burst Tristana before she's able to out-DPS them through her autos and ult.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]Tristana has more burst than lucian at level 2, what the fuck are you smoking? Which adc has higher burst than tristana at level 6? Graves probably. Corki maybe? Do you even know what the word burst means?[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Swapped up tier 1 of top. New sion is awful, doesn't even deserve to be placed. Lucian outbursts trist at 2, explosive shot is a dot harass spell not a burst spell. She definitely isn't "outbursted" by most ADCs though. Corki, Caitlyn, Draven, and Lucian are strongest laning adcs atm, trist and graves following behind. Trists all in is better than every ad at lvl 2, but not her burst, they are 2 different things. Shit on rammus early and look for counterganks when he tries to get back into the game, he cant farm for his life later on. No way ahris tier 1, too much outplay potential on her, and charm isnt enough utility for her to work off of when behind. Feel like khazix w max is still fine. Elise and eve are meh they belong where they are.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]huh, I figured Sion would at least be placed for jungling. His ganks post 6 can be pretty terrifying.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]It just needs 1 escape spell and his ult does nothing. [embed=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOMCqj7MrUo&list=UUz31TmY8O8NWvNGE-3PTbCQ] At least stonewall enjois him.[/quote]

[quote=youbleedred]Id say he is fairly strong in jungle, watch Pants are dragon plaign him[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Sion is way too unreliable. His slows aren't sufficiently effective, his passive is easy as fuck to kite, Q needs a lot of setup to work. He has nice ganks pre-teamfighting if you don't mess up your ult/they don't dodge it easily, but [[rengar]] does that just as well and remains relevant far longer. I was shocked at how easy to kite he remains, even more than old Sion if his ult is on CD. If you wanna run fast, play yi; if you wanna run fast and be tanky, play garen/singed/udyr.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]pants are dragon is an awful player who is mediocre in soloqueue and awful in arranged play[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=H4xDefender] Lucian outbursts trist at 2, explosive shot is a dot harass spell not a burst spell. She definitely isn't "outbursted" by most ADCs though. Corki, Caitlyn, Draven, and Lucian are strongest laning adcs atm, trist and graves following behind. Trists all in is better than every ad at lvl 2, but not her burst, they are 2 different things. [/quote] Taco and I actually tested it out in a custom game just now. He ran [[janna]] with the same rune and mastery page as lemonation (same item start as well) and I used the same mastery/rune page that sneaky runs on tristana and lucian. Trist burst was higher than Lucians at level 2. She did roughly 350 damage over the course of 3-4 seconds. Lucian did about 300 over the course of 4 seconds. I mean it's pretty even and hard to judge but lucian doesn't "outburst tristana" if anything it's even at worst or tristana has a slight edge at best[/quote]