7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=H4xDefender][quote=Mooninites][quote=H4xDefender] Lucian outbursts trist at 2, explosive shot is a dot harass spell not a burst spell. She definitely isn't "outbursted" by most ADCs though. Corki, Caitlyn, Draven, and Lucian are strongest laning adcs atm, trist and graves following behind. Trists all in is better than every ad at lvl 2, but not her burst, they are 2 different things. [/quote] Taco and I actually tested it out in a custom game just now. He ran [[janna]] with the same rune and mastery page as lemonation (same item start as well) and I used the same mastery/rune page that sneaky runs on tristana and lucian. Trist burst was higher than Lucians at level 2. She did roughly 350 damage over the course of 3-4 seconds. Lucian did about 300 over the course of 4 seconds. I mean it's pretty even and hard to judge but lucian doesn't "outburst tristana" if anything it's even at worst or tristana has a slight edge at best[/quote] for burst my comparisons are lucian auto attack, q, doubleshot vs trist auto attack, e, auto attack its possible i could be wrong that lucian does more damage there, but thats generally what i meant regarding burst[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=H4xDefender][quote=Mooninites][quote=H4xDefender] Lucian outbursts trist at 2, explosive shot is a dot harass spell not a burst spell. She definitely isn't "outbursted" by most ADCs though. Corki, Caitlyn, Draven, and Lucian are strongest laning adcs atm, trist and graves following behind. Trists all in is better than every ad at lvl 2, but not her burst, they are 2 different things. [/quote] Taco and I actually tested it out in a custom game just now. He ran [[janna]] with the same rune and mastery page as lemonation (same item start as well) and I used the same mastery/rune page that sneaky runs on tristana and lucian. Trist burst was higher than Lucians at level 2. She did roughly 350 damage over the course of 3-4 seconds. Lucian did about 300 over the course of 4 seconds. I mean it's pretty even and hard to judge but lucian doesn't "outburst tristana" if anything it's even at worst or tristana has a slight edge at best[/quote] for burst my comparisons are lucian auto attack, q, doubleshot vs trist auto attack, e, auto attack its possible i could be wrong that lucian does more damage there, but thats generally what i meant regarding burst[/quote] I think they included the Trist W.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]most zed players just splitpush if there are too many zhonyas and qss to deal with in a fight. a reallllly good zed player hangs around and waits for those CDs to get blown by other stuff in fights if he can. ive tried sion, hes really really really bad against anyone thats intelligent, his q is so so slow[/quote]

[quote=BlueArtist]Adding [[Jayce]] to the mid lane tier list?[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=H4xDefender]most zed players just splitpush if there are too many zhonyas and qss to deal with in a fight. a reallllly good zed player hangs around and waits for those CDs to get blown by other stuff in fights if he can. ive tried sion, hes really really really bad against anyone thats intelligent, his q is so so slow[/quote] Yes i agree but your relying on your team if your a split push zed or if your in team fights if your team cant get them to qss etc... As for split push problem is if your team cant hold you lose the game well you only get one tower.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Jayce is already in mid If your team cant hold at all then you've probably lost anyway[/quote]

[quote=Vorcia]Is this list for competitive or solo queue? If it's for solo queue, I'd recommend taking off Elise and Nunu from the jungler Tier 1. They require too much co-ordination to be as good in solo as they are in competitive. Rammus is an amazing Solo jungler atm. His only weakness is a relatively fragile early game, but his ganks are amazing and he's the perfect counter to the ADC focused meta atm.[/quote]

[quote=SpikyBits][quote=Vorcia]Is this list for competitive or solo queue? [/quote] [quote=H4xDefender]It leans towards high elo soloqueue + competitive.[/quote][/quote]

[quote=Darealone]So............AD top [[nidalee]] feels...less OP now. :([/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]Jayce so low for being a top pick in mid lane atm his mid game is op.[/quote]