7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I feel like Riot should have at least given his Q the [[Vi]] [[Vault Breaker]] mechanic so he can still like.. kind of chase you maybe?[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=OTGBionicArm]I feel like Riot should have at least given his Q the [[Vi]] [[Vault Breaker]] mechanic so he can still like.. kind of chase you maybe?[/quote] I don't know, I think the ideas they had were fine, but he's waaay too inconsistent. The Q charge time needs to be reduced, the E needs to be useful without minions around, and the ultimate needs to generate a lot less awkward and embarrassing moments.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]I mean, i think the idea is that it's really bad for an enemy team if sion gets a full channel Q off, but it is possible to do it in a team fight setting. I think the point is that sion isn't supposed to get a full channel Q off under normal conditions. If his Q charge time was faster, i think he'd be incredibly strong in lane, with his low mana cost kit[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=utopus]I mean, i think the idea is that it's really bad for an enemy team if sion gets a full channel Q off, but it is possible to do it in a team fight setting. I think the point is that sion isn't supposed to get a full channel Q off under normal conditions. If his Q charge time was faster, i think he'd be incredibly strong in lane, with his low mana cost kit[/quote] I get the sense that he has to be a lane bully because what's a giant with a giant axe that does giant damage in a giant environment after a giant charge time gonna do? Taking the latter part in mind; not much. Even in teamfights it's hardly possible to get a knock out of it. Also, the damage is quite big in the early levels but during later stages the fully charged Q damage isn't nearly as impressive any more.[/quote]

[quote=youbleedred]id say for team fight, its best to use sions q after his ult, or to chain cc someone, not by itself or as an initiation[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=youbleedred]id say for team fight, its best to use sions q after his ult, or to chain cc someone, not by itself or as an initiation[/quote] Even then, you'd have to be in a perfect spot, not get interrupted, and hope the CC is long enough for you to channel that you can get at least a small knock-up from it; it's not going to be long enough to get a full channel. Even so, that would make [[Sion]]'s Q a so-called [i]win more[/i] move, which is, strategically speaking, quite bad. The worst part is that [[Sion]] has no real way of setting it up himself; the E can only really set it up if you're playing against [[Ashe]], and even she can just interrupt the channel, leaving you with nothing but memories of your parents telling you that you are not good enough.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]I had always thought a fully charged sion's Q late game was kinda like a [[nami aqua]] prison: If you get a 4 or 5 man knockup, you might have just caused your team to win the fight. Basically I had thought that it was intended for sion's Q to transition from Raw brute force damage early game to utility late game. I do agree that it is a little unfortunate that sion can only get away with fully charging his Q when a jungler is ganking for him and his opponent is, for lack of a better term, 'stuck in place'.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=utopus]I had always thought a fully charged sion's Q late game was kinda like a [[nami aqua]] prison: If you get a 4 or 5 man knockup, you might have just caused your team to win the fight.[/quote] If you manage to do so, then the enemy team probably consisted of people who have trouble understanding that they should eat the food in front of them instead of the tablecloth. [quote=utopus]Basically I had thought that it was intended for sion's Q to transition from Raw brute force damage early game to utility late game.[/quote] I suppose that's Riot's angle, but how does that make sense for [[Sion]] as a character? I mean, I suppose it's alright from a gameplay perspective but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense visually and from a character perspective. Right now [[Sion]] feels like a [[Darius]] with slightly more utility paired with a whole lot less of usefulness. [quote=utopus] I do agree that it is a little unfortunate that sion can only get away with fully charging his Q when a jungler is ganking for him and his opponent is, for lack of a better term, 'stuck in place'.[/quote] The better term you're looking for is 'a complete twat'.[/quote]

[quote=Vorcia][quote=Mooninites]Doesn't seem like there is a S3 [[Zyra]] type of champion right now[/quote] Vel'Koz is basically Zyra 2.0, try him out, if you liked Zyra, you'll like VK. In terms of carry supports, Braum is probably the best right now. Yeah he's a tank but he's just go at solo playmaking and peeling. He has reliable peel, initiate, and damage mitigation to carry with. I also disagree with the Jayce not being meta. He does rather well against Ryze and Maokai, the two strongest top laners atm, and he has a godlike mid game which is invaluable right now when everything being picked either has an amazing mid game or an amazing late game.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Vorcia][quote=Mooninites]Doesn't seem like there is a S3 [[Zyra]] type of champion right now[/quote] Vel'Koz is basically Zyra 2.0, try him out, if you liked Zyra, you'll like VK.[/quote] I don't think that's what he meant. Pretty sure he meant a support that can carry an entire team of fat arses. [quote=Vorcia]In terms of carry supports, Braum is probably the best right now. Yeah he's a tank but he's just go at solo playmaking and peeling. He has reliable peel, initiate, and damage mitigation to carry with.[/quote] [[Braum]] doesn't carry at all; he relies too much on teammates to be really useful. Additionally, he has no real way to properly engage as his ultimate isn't too good for that. [[Thresh]], [[Leona]], [[Zyra]], and [[Vel'Koz]] all have much higher carry potential - the former two have more reliable and stronger engages whereas the latter two have enough damage and AoE to decide teamfights.[/quote]