Noted.
But like I said, that doesn't mean it doesn't work the other way round.
And since we're talking about the female gamer community in general, you have to take everything into account.
For example, I know of 3 cases where the females were simply suffocated with kindness of a "normal" degree (not the total creepy type) and made no move to correct that or showed any sign they disliked it. Plus one totally needed it, lived for it, attention ***** through and through (and a *****).
It is a problem, that's a given, like so many other things in that regard and if you talk about this because you suffer from it personally, that's good.
But like already mentioned, you won't fix this problem here.
But like I said, that doesn't mean it doesn't work the other way round.
And since we're talking about the female gamer community in general, you have to take everything into account.
For example, I know of 3 cases where the females were simply suffocated with kindness of a "normal" degree (not the total creepy type) and made no move to correct that or showed any sign they disliked it. Plus one totally needed it, lived for it, attention ***** through and through (and a *****).
It is a problem, that's a given, like so many other things in that regard and if you talk about this because you suffer from it personally, that's good.
But like already mentioned, you won't fix this problem here.
Darcurse wrote:
Noted.
But like I said, that doesn't mean it doesn't work the other way round.
And since we're talking about the female gamer community in general, you have to take everything into account.
For example, I know of 3 cases where the females were simply suffocated with kindness of a "normal" degree (not the total creepy type) and made no move to correct that or showed any sign they disliked it. Plus one totally needed it, lived for it, attention ***** through and through (and a *****).
It is a problem, that's a given, like so many other things in that regard and if you talk about this because you suffer from it personally, that's good.
But like already mentioned, you won't fix this problem here.
But like I said, that doesn't mean it doesn't work the other way round.
And since we're talking about the female gamer community in general, you have to take everything into account.
For example, I know of 3 cases where the females were simply suffocated with kindness of a "normal" degree (not the total creepy type) and made no move to correct that or showed any sign they disliked it. Plus one totally needed it, lived for it, attention ***** through and through (and a *****).
It is a problem, that's a given, like so many other things in that regard and if you talk about this because you suffer from it personally, that's good.
But like already mentioned, you won't fix this problem here.
Also, acting like you think these people you're talking about have never been harassed is pretty stupid as well. You may have never seen them get harassed or heard them complain about it, but I highly doubt they never have been because harassment is more common than a lot of people want to admit.
By pointing out that your statements are unfair, at best, I can at least hope to point out the problem. You seem to believe I can fix the way I am treated and I'm telling you that the harassment doesn't just go away because I say "you need to stop mistreating me because I'm a woman, I have just as much right to be here as you do".
I assume nothing here, I simply tell you that you can either let yourself get dragged down by it or not.
And I also never assumed that the 3 girls didn't face any harassment, on the contrary: They most certainly did. It's the fact that they decided NOT to let themselves get dragged down what's important here.
On the other hand you seem to assume that this case is kind of special. It's not.
In this day and age it simply catches the most attention.
It's the troublemaker himself who should be focused, not one single problem he causes.
So if you open a thread and tell people about stuff that bugs you, it's not your problem?
You confuse me.
And I also never assumed that the 3 girls didn't face any harassment, on the contrary: They most certainly did. It's the fact that they decided NOT to let themselves get dragged down what's important here.
On the other hand you seem to assume that this case is kind of special. It's not.
In this day and age it simply catches the most attention.
It's the troublemaker himself who should be focused, not one single problem he causes.
Latest Legend wrote:
Could we maybe stop acting like it's her problem? And by we I actually mean you :P
So if you open a thread and tell people about stuff that bugs you, it's not your problem?
You confuse me.
It is my problem, but I am not the only one who has to change how I act/feel to solve it. If I was it would have already been solved because I always make it clear that I want to be treated equally. The result of that is, as I already stated, that I don't receive a lot of extra positive attention for the most part, but the level of harassment I receive remains the same because I have no control over that.
I can pretend I'm not being harassed or that "I am not bothered by it" (which is effectively the same thing, no matter what words you want to use), but that also changes nothing and does not deal with the actual problem at hand. Quite the contrary, in fact, as it mostly makes the harasser believe their behavior isn't a problem.
I can pretend I'm not being harassed or that "I am not bothered by it" (which is effectively the same thing, no matter what words you want to use), but that also changes nothing and does not deal with the actual problem at hand. Quite the contrary, in fact, as it mostly makes the harasser believe their behavior isn't a problem.
Latest Legend wrote:
Could we maybe stop acting like it's her problem? And by we I actually mean you :P
I understand what you meant, but that was pretty poorly worded :P
Correct me if I'm wrong: What you want to tell me is that the strongarm method isn't what you're looking for because it doesn't resolve the problem?
You're bothered by this (which is definitely understandable, that's beyond debate) and we're talking about ways on how to tackle it, right?
If so I have to go back on a previous statement of mine:
Actively going against harassment in gaming isn't going to work.
The gaming scene isn't where the problem takes roots but only where it spreads to.
You're bothered by this (which is definitely understandable, that's beyond debate) and we're talking about ways on how to tackle it, right?
If so I have to go back on a previous statement of mine:
Actively going against harassment in gaming isn't going to work.
The gaming scene isn't where the problem takes roots but only where it spreads to.
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I'm not saying "I've been harassed, therefore all female gamers have"; I'm saying "any benefits I personally might have received have not outweighed the harassment I also have received".