Male gamer privilege?

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=XeresAce]@amanda, idk why but I have this weird feeling that people on NA tend to be a lot more rude and disrespectful towards female gamers than on euw, I haven't seen what you've described at all on euw (or at least so rarely that I can't remember)...[/quote]funny you say that 'cause the second example I gave was a guy who plays primarily on EUW and just happened to have an NA smurf. We don't really talk anymore 'cause he got super creepy and it made me uncomfortable. x.x[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce][quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=XeresAce]@amanda, idk why but I have this weird feeling that people on NA tend to be a lot more rude and disrespectful towards female gamers than on euw, I haven't seen what you've described at all on euw (or at least so rarely that I can't remember)...[/quote]funny you say that 'cause the second example I gave was a guy who plays primarily on EUW and just happened to have an NA smurf. We don't really talk anymore 'cause he got super creepy and it made me uncomfortable. x.x[/quote] The bad luck is real ;-;[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend][quote=Meiyjhe][quote=Latest Legend][spoiler=quote]I didn't watch the video because I feel like my braincells die whenever I even smell a 20-30-minute long video repeating the same statement over and over again, no matter whether I think the statements are right or not. Sorry. A few things I'd like to point out. First of all, girls that like gaming like gaming. Yes, really. What does this mean? They like games. They like the games on the market. All things said about games being made for this and for that and all that may still be very true, it probably is. But I'd like to keep in mind that girls that like gaming actually like games. Does that mean that I find clear sexism in games something not worth talking about? No. Searz, I think that you are very right about the fact that the harassment is completely stupid and can easily be countered. I mean you can destroy them. But what remains is the fact that female gamers have a much higher chance of having to face and deal with this harassment nevertheless(I don't have numbers, I'm not a woman, but I think we can safely assume this). I think it shouldn't be that way. Then there's the fact that there are also females that aren't good with words so not everyone can just freeze the brains of some not thinking bullies. [quote]I can openly say that my favorite games are casual, odd, non-violent, artistic, or cute without fear that my opinions will reinforce a stereotype that "men are not real gamers."[/quote]Never happened to me, that's true. But when I say I like playing League of Legends in the middle of some shooter scrublords, not my gender gets looked down upon, but me and me alone. The fact that I'm male probably won't be used as an insult, though. But that's a different point. [quote]I can walk into any gaming store and see images of my gender widely represented as powerful heroes, villains and non-playable characters alike.[/quote]One day we're talking about oversexualized half-naked female characters in practically all games, the other day there aren't any female game characters around. Confusing. [quote]I will almost always have the option to play a character of my gender, as most protagonists or heroes will be male by default.[/quote]If there's one thing a lot of male gamers want, it's playing female characters from time to time. Though now I think about it I don't know any shooter with playable female characters in it, so I guess that's a genre where this has a point. It's the only one though. Maybe you just want to know my opinion of all this. I think that discrimination is stupid. I think that I had just become eleven years old when I really started to outgrow other kids in computer stuff. I was passionate about computers, so I obviously wanted to talk about this. But who really wants to talk about computers with an eleven year old? Internet was heaven for me. As long as I didn't open my mouth and evaded questions about age and such by any means necessary I could converse with people about my interests. I gamed a lot at the time(school -> games -> computer stuff -> sleep), and I have seen lots and lots of people getting laughed at and not being taken seriously just because they had a high-pitched voice. They didn't say anything weird, they were being nice and they weren't annoying anyone. Of course there were annoying people with high-pitched voices too. But people couldn't even finish a sentence without someone interfering to tell them they had a high-pitched voice. They were stupid even before they had opened their mouth. If I just kept my mouth shut and kept to typing only (and never said a word about myself) I could have fun with everyone. No one ever noticed I had a high-pitched voice if I didn't open my mouth, and I was never treated like someone with a high-pitched voice. Now you could say this is all some bullshit that never happens. But I lived it. In fact, I still have trouble participating in voice chat. It's something that'll probably never go away. You could still say it's bullshit, and it probably is. Because people that are actually bothered by the fact that they have high-pitched voices are stupid. I'm not saying you should all think I'm piteous(pathetic?). I don't want you to think I'm piteous and I don't feel piteous. What I want you to think is that I was already brilliant and surprisingly mature at the age of eleven and that you should all look at me with some more respect :P. To get back on the serious track again: people think that all people with high-pitched voices are extremely childish and stupid, if someone says something in a high-pitched voice, they are immediately treated as extremely childish and stupid persons. I wanted to play that game and I wanted to have fun with the other players. I wanted to be accepted by them as a fellow gamer. To somewhat merge in with the community I had to hide that I had a high-pithed voice, in fact I also had to hide my age. This was not only the case with games but even more so with other computer related stuff I was interested in (when you're fiddling with the virtual insides of computers you're bound to need some sort of help at some point, and want to help other people out). It was horrible. And I'm talking about bloody voice(age) discrimination here. A low age is something you lose automagically, my "future" was never bad at all. I can't begin to imagine what it would feel like to feel not part of the gaming community (or computer community) as a whole because of something that will probably never change in your life. I'm not going to make any statements about the feelings connected with it because, unlike the video guy, I think that statements about women being discriminated because of their gender by women that are being discriminated are the statements that matter the most. Like that guy knows anything about it. Then what should we as men do with this? We've probably all encountered discrimination in one way or another before, we know what discrimination is about. It's also a fact that there are women pointing out that they feel discriminated and how they feel about this. We could ignore it, laugh it off or do whatever else. But if we take at least one of those women and their words just a bit seriously, then maybe we should recognize that there is indeed a problem and keep this in mind. So there ya go ^^[/spoiler][/quote]I didn't want to participate to this thread because I was sure I would say something stupid, but I just want to say that I think that this post was quite amazing. Well done. PS: I think your voice is just fine <3[/quote]Thanks <3[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I gotta say having people treat me like a helpless child (even when I know a hell of a lot more about a topic than they do) because of my gender[/quote]That's more a general attitude of society, not limited to games and gamers. Coddling was never been a claimed benefit as far as I can see by the way. The benefits have been being given free stuff. I'm sure Xeres could elaborate since he's been posing as a woman several times. [quote]I have had to make a huge effort to be taken seriously as a gamer[/quote]Clearly going about this the wrong way. Don't make an effort. If they are the kind to discriminate like this then they are also the kind that are not worth interacting with. Don't put any effort into assholes. All that comes out in the end is shit :) (hohoho) [quote]or have a guy say after duoing ranked with you for a few hours "sorry, I need to go touch myself because hearing you talk about video games like this is turning me on" (that isn't a joke btw)[/quote]WHAAAAAT!? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Are you sure he wasn't joking? Because that's fucking insane. [quote=The_Nameless_Bard]While I think the general tone of the original video was very overdone, but in some cases the original points are actually very true. I'd like to hear the opinions of other male gamers on the topic though though, because I can complain about being discriminated against as a female gamer all I want but that won't get me anywhere.[/quote]Of course they are true. That's the very definition of a strawman. But just because they are true doesn't mean that they mean what the author wants them to mean. [spoiler=Here's my response parts to your list:][quote]4. This one actually pisses me off a lot, personally. It's an attitude I've seen pretty regularly among the less mature male gamers.[/quote]You need to go about this in a better way. Don't get caught up in their flow of idiocy and shit (I know because I sometimes do myself, and I hate myself afterwards). If they tell you to do something that isn't integral to the game that is being played then just ignore them or ask them why you should have to prove anything to them. I think it's a good idea to respond to for example "Tits or GTFO" with "Penis or GTFO". Show them how dumb they are (works as a joke too, in case they are joking) and if they just start rambling you can safely ignore them. [quote]10. Why is this not part of #9, even if you don't want to include them both in #4?[/quote]Because he's just trying to inflate the numbers to make the list seem like it carries more weight. There are sooo many points that could have been worked into one. I think he could easily have fit the same amount of info in 10-15 points. [quote]18. I often ignore this and get in curse voice with complete randos anyways...I would like to point out that the major result of that is usually that they're completely freaked out that there's a girl there, not that I am harassed.[/quote]Yup, sounds like gamers alright :) [quote]22. Unfortunately I can tell you this does happen sometimes. VERY OCCASIONALLY. I just ignore/block whoever is stupid enough to do so.[/quote]Nooooo, please don't. It's such a wasted opportunity. Send a response saying "Too small for me." or "sooo tinyyy". Please do it for me if not for yourself :3 [quote]24. Ok yea, this is true.[/quote]If you know who the "journalist" writing this is, then it's pretty clear how ironic this point is. He's such an asshat.[/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=GrandmasterD]That article is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time; it lists countless things that have nothing to do with gaming industry and communities specifically but rather with the current status of western culture. I'm also appalled that the writer has the audacity to make claims – himself being a critic – without any real proof, reliable sources, or studies; it's all just a bunch of stuff probably based on real-life experiences from women he is acquainted with.[/quote]This is the kind of journalism that has been going on for years in the industry. And people don't think there are problems with gaming journalism... Right. [quote=XeresAce]idk why but I have this weird feeling that people on NA tend to be a lot more rude and disrespectful towards female gamers than on euw, I haven't seen what you've described at all on euw (or at least so rarely that I can't remember)...[/quote]Oh yeah, that's a possibility. The US isn't exactly socially progressive. [quote=Latest Legend]But what remains is the fact that female gamers have a much higher chance of having to face and deal with this harassment nevertheless. I think it shouldn't be that way. Then there's the fact that there are also females that aren't good with words so not everyone can just freeze the brains of some not thinking bullies.[/quote]Yeah, it's a pain and something that definitely should go away. But the positive thing is that there are many (me included ofc) actively going against this kind of behavior when they encounter it. Since the opposing side is generally filled with idiots they can't really win this fight, so as time goes on I can only imagine that this gets better. I'm hopeful for the future. And in regards to voice chat, I've had a similar experience. I've never liked my voice, even though it's not that high and just slightly higher pitch than normal. But there's also the fact that I sometimes say some really stupid shit in voice chat. Stuff I tend to facepalm pretty hard about afterwards. This led me to kind of move away from that whole thing.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Searz]WHAAAAAT!? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Are you sure he wasn't joking? Because that's fucking insane.[/quote]well, he kept saying shit like that and even tried to take it a bit further until I finally just stopped talking to him, so I don't think so, no. I tend to attract the crazy ones. [spoiler=responception] 4. I tend to just ignore them and maybe be a bit sarcastic if I start to get really annoyed. I get pissed off internally not externally. 10. it's idiotic, I was just pointing out that it was. 18. yep 22. I give them a response like "sorry, you're not my type" and then just block them ^^ 24. Probably fair, don't know who the guy is though[/spoiler] @conversations about voice chat if it makes y'all feel better I've been mistaken for a teenage boy before...though that's only been by fellow females, I guess, so it might have been petty bitchy nonsense.[/quote]

[quote=astrolia]I got a PS4 crowdfunded by being a girl. Clearly women are actually the ruling class.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Last time I checked everyone on LoL thinks no one else knows what they're talking about. It doesn't matter if you're a girl or a guy. Like you tell someone that Sunfire cape isn't good on Nami and they just lose their shit.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Exactly. Competitive scenes like LoL can't be counted at all. The amount of premature brats is just too dense there. @The_Nameless_Bard Ok, I give that not only the bullies but also the creepy nice guys are a problem (the ones that make you want to hurl). But if you just had too many run-ins with problematic douches don't make it sound like all of the female (gamer) community has. It's not like we're only making the males out to be the cause here either. Way too many females know of the situation and abuse it to no end, fueling this problem even further (Astrolia, if that's true, thank you for the example). But all in all, the main cause of this problem is - like already established since the beginning - the amount of premature teens. And *SUPRISE* gaming, or better: The whole Internet gets flooded by them. The whole "LoL/the competitive gaming scene has the most toxic community"-thing is caused by even more ppl from a younger generation getting introduced to the internet at an even earlier age. And the reason they act like they do, is simply because a)They know that Ol' daddy "i-net anonymity" is protecting them from RL harm. b)They are way too young to know better (and kids are assholes). c)Their RL environment taught them. By going on offense against female harassment in gaming, no matter what you do or how successful you are, you'll change nothing. You'll only waste time talking to someone who wouldn't understand you and is nothing more than a product himself. So you either start fighting the root (and pls not in the feminazi way) or decide not to give a shit and let yourself get dragged down by someone you don't know and never will (probably).[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]22. I give them a response like "sorry, you're not my type" and then just block them ^^[/quote] And add "... my type doesn't have a small penis" after? ◕‿◕[/quote]