OTG's SoloQ Tier List (Patch 4.20)

[quote=HiFromBuddha][quote=NicknameMy]Doesn't change the fact that [[shen]]s ult+cc is gamebreaking.[/quote] Doesn't change the fact that all his negatives in the jungle heavily weigh him back. We could put him on the list if you wanted, but he'd be low tier 3 at best, and then we'll have even more comments as to why he's so low. A gamebreaking ult and CC doesn't make you a good pick. [[Sejuani]], [[Ashe]], [[Zyra]], [[Yorick]], [[Mordekaiser]]. They have ults that can change teamfights single-handedly. It still isn't a warrant for them to instantly be placed into top tier. You can argue all you want, but when someone isn't good, they aren't good. A placement on a tier list is not going to change that.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=BlueArtist][[Cassiopeia]]'s passive was altered so that her early game power was slightly increased to balance out her power towards the late game. That's about it. I'm curious to why [[Azir]] became a Tier 1 while [[Lissandra]] remains in Tier 2. Care to enlighten me?[/quote] Azir is retarded strong in the right hands. He has a lanephase that rivals with Syndra's, he has tons of AoE, he deals incredibly well with sieging and sieges really hard and he's amazing in dense teamfights because people either can't avoid taking it up their butts from his soldiers or, even worse (in my opinion) can barely make out the soldiers amidst the mess. Also, he protects carries really well and his bug fixes and slight buffs ensured his position. Lissandra is very solid as a pick but her lane phase isn't tier 1, there's a nice deal of champions that can make her life hell. @NicknameMy That's correct, but I'm not sure what it has to do with him jungling. By the way, I highly appreciate your desire to find alternatives to the meta or ways to make the champs work that are not so common (I did list I did 7 ranked jungle GP games and won them all on plat and I've played a lot of Nidalee jungle, besides other stuff) but at times you're just being stubborn and not thinking things through. It's tiresome that someone can be both so obsessed over champ numbers and items and yet make the most illogical remarks.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][quote=Vapora Dark]don't listen to them nicknamemy, shen jungle is op. same as swain jungle, dat ult ^^[/quote] It's that kind of trolling as to why Riot dick slapped Talon, fyi.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Toshabi][quote=Vapora Dark]don't listen to them nicknamemy, shen jungle is op. same as swain jungle, dat ult ^^[/quote] It's that kind of trolling as to why Riot dick slapped Talon, fyi.[/quote] ok im sry toshabi, i deleted my comment[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Revision 7: Lucian has been lowered in tier 1 to just above Graves. Thresh has been moved to the front of tier 1 support. Ahri has been moved to the front of tier 2 mid. Warwick has been moved to the top of tier 2 jungle. Sejuani has moved to tier 3 jungle, and Zac has moved up in this tier as well. Also, can a mod update the thread title? pls and thank you.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]What makes Ahri not tier 1?[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=FalseoGod]What makes Ahri not tier 1?[/quote]What makes ahri tier 1? Every champ in tier 1 is better. Azir is op late game can 1v5. Syndra is most lane dominate champ in game. Zed does ahri's job better. Xerath wave clear for days massive damage. Ori amazing damage and Utility.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Cooper112][quote=FalseoGod]What makes Ahri not tier 1?[/quote]What makes ahri tier 1? Every champ in tier 1 is better. Azir is op late game can 1v5. Syndra is most lane dominate champ in game. Zed does ahri's job better. Xerath wave clear for days massive damage. Ori amazing damage and Utility.[/quote] [[Ahri]] isn't tier 1 because she seems hit or miss at times. This is basically the same argument as Graves being tier 1 or 2 though. it's pretty pointless. However, [[Ahri]] is a lot safer and reliable than [[Zed]] in my opinion. xD[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Toshabi][quote=Vapora Dark]don't listen to them nicknamemy, shen jungle is op. same as swain jungle, dat ult ^^[/quote] It's that kind of trolling as to why Riot dick slapped Talon, fyi.[/quote] ok im sry toshabi, i deleted my comment[/quote] B^)[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Cooper112][quote=FalseoGod]What makes Ahri not tier 1?[/quote]What makes ahri tier 1? Every champ in tier 1 is better. Azir is op late game can 1v5. Syndra is most lane dominate champ in game. Zed does ahri's job better. Xerath wave clear for days massive damage. Ori amazing damage and Utility.[/quote] [[Ahri]] isn't tier 1 because she seems hit or miss at times. This is basically the same argument as Graves being tier 1 or 2 though. it's pretty pointless. However, [[Ahri]] is a lot safer and reliable than [[Zed]] in my opinion. xD[/quote] I wasn't questioning the positioning itself, rather trying to understand it myself. Ahri has a pretty good lane phase, specially now that pre-6 jungle pressure lightened up a bit. She is a great laner ever since they patched up her mana issues since she has range, sustain, wave clear and great single target damage + mobility to pressure other lanes. She's also really safe.[/quote]