Jax Build Guide : AceWindstorm's Jax (Jungle and Top) Guide

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I'm interested in your opinion on ER. Is it viable or just for 5 pre-made fun?

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I think it is one of those win more items and really not as good as people may think. There is definitely a few scenarios where it is the correct item to buy, but those just really don't happen. You want low mobility high DPS auto attack reliant champions who don't have any or have low cc throughout the entire comp. Thats not really something that happens, and you need something that good to make the item better than other purchases.

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Why is your build retired?

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I thought it was, but I tried it out again, and it seems just fine. Not sure what I experienced in the new jungle changes, but maybe some meta stuff just needed to settle and then it proved itself again.

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Hey why do you buy knights vow on jax ? and your guide rly helped me thx :)

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Sorry for being so late my friend but I have been slightly busy. Knights Vow is an incredibly good item when you combo it with competent carries, the amount of sustain it can give and damage mitigation it brings to key people on your team is unrivaled. If you can't buy it, buy something like Randuins instead. It just hits all the sweet spots, health, armor, cdr, utility.

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Hello again, I've noticed you've updated your guide recently, but can't make out any immediate changes (nor were they posted in the change log)

What's new?! :)

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Just updated it, I made the change late in the day and in a bit of a hurry so I forgot to write it down there. All I did was remove a tip about relic shield that was nulled when they took bandit it off of support items.

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Yo, would you still prefer Klepto over Conqueror?

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Haven't gotten enough experience with it Toplane yet. The Klepto build experienced no changes so it is still quite strong, eventually I will make a decision on Conqueror for Top. Things have been rough lately.

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Is lethal tempo good on jungle jax?

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No it is not

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can you add illaoi and give tips when we fight her?

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Didn't realize I had forgotten her, thanks! Will add when I get the chance.

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hey i need your thoughts on glacial augment jax (jg and top). and please dont just give me the first thing that comes to mind (i think your smarter than that but still) i would love if you really really thought about it. also note glacial augment jax jg is basicly for when you get those morons who are too dumb to walk forward properly and you gank and get no follow up for whatever unholy reason.

i often get frozen mallet for obvious reasons. but vs some champs 40% perma slow is only a little helpful or they just barely outrun you without you getting frozen mallet. but even with frozen mallet triforce there are still champs that easily out run you for example: teemo, kennen, quin?, aylmao'kai, , poppy, tahm kench?(i was suprised by this one).

thank you, glad i found you, and have a nice day :D

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I don't think Glacial is good on Jax, especially so in the jungle. For toplane, he just makes such good use of Klepto it is really hard to justify taking Glacial, even in ranged matchups. I never really tried it out too much, but never found myself needing what it gives so I didn't give it a lot of time to prove itself useful. As for Jungle, you most of the time will have red buff already, so the slow is (somewhat) redundant, and you are just slowing them down instead of killing them instantly with Electrocute or possibly killing them with PtA.

Also, if you are buying Frozen Mallet in your builds a lot then 100% do not take Glacial, you just basically nullified your Keystone by buying that item since you have the slow on every auto attack now. As for champions that could outrun you with a FM+Tri there really isn't anyone who can, provided you play it correctly. Sure, a tank like Maokai/Poppy who have abilities to disengage, can get away from you, but thats not the same as purely outrunning you. Teemo can probably just use his blind and walk out with W, but other than him you will find a hard time finding someone who can outrun a FM+Tri Jax.

As a last note, I will just go over how/what you should go about running people down, to give you a list of things where you might see "oh im not doing that." First, are you moving in between every auto attack? Second, do you get your Q interrupted/made useless by using it at a bad time? Third, are you considering what you do/don't know about the summoners/ulti? Fourth, do they have any items/teammates that can stop you ready?

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thanks for your time :) heres my thoughts
with one things out of order

sorry for the weird format have to copy paste my response.

first off glacial is intented to REPLACE frozen mallet
(which CAN mean i get more damage items btw(or just
better items for the situation)) and i know slows
dont stack so dont take both is pretty obvious.

for jax jg basicly people are dumb and cant follow up
ganks properly even well into
high diamond (which chall players still play with sadly).
also you cant have red buff up all the time and its yolo que
not premade 5's so you often have to respond to dumb **** ASAP.
if you wanna see some players not following up well then
"ghost to lane" somewhat recently made a video challenge
where he afk'ed in a silver ranked game for the first 10 minutes
he got pretty tilted because his adc couldnt follow up properly.
also it should go without saying that follow up being a couple
seconds late can easily ruin everything.

boxer pete made a youtube vid testing
glacial aug on trynd he killed the enemy moa'kai
at level 1 and if i remember correctly
crits were not in his favor. so theres that as far as
jax vs range or tank. for high damage lane opponent
it depends on the matchup but basicly if you already win the
matchup it makes kills many times more reliable

this parts minor (i wanna focus on merits of glacial):
as far as PTA well i personally dont use it on jax for
reasons that would just take too long to get into.
i'ed much rather take spell book for getting
tp later and such or elec / harvest.

as far as klepto i hate it on jax.
i COULD go into why but
lets just pretend it doesnt exist for now

"As for champions that could outrun you with a FM+Tri
there really isn't anyone who can,
provided you play it correctly."

i wouldnt have thought so if i didnt have it
happen first hand believe me i know how that sounds.

teemo ult rank 3 slows by 50% for 4 seconds and
is charge based then i beleive teemo q stops my
FM slow from happening.

also keep in mind im autoing as jax but
the opponent is not autoing so alot
of time is spent there.

the things i might now be doing:

1: if you go into custom game you can check your
stutter stepping prowess by listening to the
sounds spacing i can nail stutter stepping at
2.0 attack speed so im good there.
also if you want to be VERY excant theres an
auto canceling timing where you dont get the dmaage but
you do get the sound so you can find the
EXACT right timing.

2: im set with that as well.
teemo for example is pretty simple basicly just wait
until your not in range to auto and use your q rang to
wait out any shroom slows.

3: well jax not having ult doesnt change anything
where as if you opponent uses it to escape then
my point still stands.
as far as summoners yes ive factored that.

4: im talking 1v1.

i think thats everything.
again basicly its so i dont need frozen mallet

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only read a bit of your guide so far but your the first jax to not make me wanna hit my head on a brick wall :) congrats <3

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Thanks! Can't say I expected to read that ever but uhhhhhhhh yeah!

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<3

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This is such a cool guide! thanks so much, i always use this to know what to build. Thanks!

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No problem :)

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Maxing e first is better than maxing w first? Hmmm..

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Woa my guy I have never endorsed maxing E first. My personal order for almost every single game is W>E>Q. I switch to W>Q>E in matches where in a splitpush the Dodge/CC cooldown is less valuable than the mobility cooldown, or where enemy teams aren't threatened by my E cooldown when I am forced into teamfighting early.

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No no im just asking is e better maxing first hehe sorry

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Yeah no dont do that

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I'm wondering if the new keystone will be a good fit for . See if you can test it some time, I'm itching to know what you will think of it.

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for conqueror in general its basicly an anti tank only keystone because math.

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Will report back when I do, I will be playing tomorrow (am busy today)! I am pretty sure it is going to be excellent.

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Let's hope so. Thank you for the feedback.

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Alright so after playing today, I only got to play one game of Jax. It was jungle. I went 12/1/5. Small sample size, but Conqueror seems EXTREMELY strong when it activates, and seems to be decently viable in Jungle. Eventually I will get some play with it toplane hopefully, and some more time with it in jungle too.

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Sounds promising. Makes sense since Jax is a champion that thrives in prolonged conflicts and this rune seems to accommodate that. I may try it myself sometime, if you update the build here I'll be sure to follow it to the letter.

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Sounds like a plan to me! I'd say give it about a week to develop and we will see.