hello! thanks for replying to my guide and giving me feedback heres what i have to say:

i dont feel i need to tell people they have to build a giants belt before buying a warmogs or buying something to build into an item it should be common sense people should know this already it makes the build shorter and easier to memorize if i just have it be straight up the item and they will build it in game themself.

as for the masteries i feel this works best, doing more damage with your R means you can start the ult when they have a bit more health then they usually would without that mastery and you might end up missing a kill which isnt something you want because thats missing a kill as well as waste of an ult.

i dont agree with 9/21/0 or 0/21/9 tank garen is pretty useless and plan on adding a section into my guide explaining why i feel tank garen is useless but dps/tank garen is really good, or atleast better than tank garen/

ignite works very well early game not so much late game but its very usefull. teleport/flash i dont feel you will need this unless you feel you will lose lane if you go back.

ghost is overkill on garen as he has a free mini-ghost with his Q which works just as well and you can get something alot better than ghost since you already have a mini one.

exhaust is great on garen and that is totally your choice if you want to use it or not i used to use exhaust/flash on garen and changed to ignite and it works so much better especially if enemy team has healer support such as alistar/soraka/sona it just works when you ignite it makes the supports pretty useless too but theres nothing wrong with going exhuast/flash either, my preference is just ignite/flash

i said in my rune section it is completely your choice for what you want, those are just the runes i like to use and i feel they are best for garen.

as for your last point that you see i want damage on garen: yes i want damage but i dont want to build straight dps and be completely useless for team fights if i get focused because if you build no armor or no mr you will get bursted down super quick so whats the point if you die in 2 seconds, thats why i made this build i feel it is a good build and so im sharing it with you all if it doesnt work for you i am sorry but i do enjoy this build.

i've added an extra little bit to the items for a few different builds you can use if you want to try those out.

thank you again for the feedback it really helps and means alot! :)

phage after brutalizer
giant's belt before warmogs
frozen mallet after giant's belt
giant's belt after mallet or youmuu
atma after belt/youmuu
warmogs after atma
Not making a build just disagreeing with you that you go blade>blade>boots>warmogs?!!?!?

23/6/1..
go 21/9/0 or 9/21/0 or 0/21/9 You wasted 5 talent points to deal like 3% more damage with R?Ok...weird but works...

ignite doesnt realy work well on garen,actualy it does,but take flash+tele,flash+ghost,flash+exhaust better

As quints i realy recommend Flat HP ...those are the best imo...

try adding some picks


You want damage?Build Spin to crit build from garen
Because what i see is that you want damage...


I hope you will understand me(calm down +1)
Just waiting for some improovements..guide is not bad...but it can be better

Thank you for the feedback! heres my reply.

1: i feel as if a frozen mallet and warmogs is good combo along with the atma's it adds alot of AD and alot of health to you, the fact that you're very tanky and also doing alot of damage makes you very dangerous. its completely the players choice whos in the game though, they may go with both items or they may go with just one or the other :)

2: i will go through the guide every other day or so and make it look a bit nicer each time, i went through the masteries and added alot of detail to that and am learning the BBC coding so i can make it a bit nicer next time i edit it or even make a whole new guide! :)

3: more detail is what i want to add to the guide i want to go through and add a few things like i said in my previous statement.

thank you for commenting as this is my first guide i like this build and feel it is one of the best not trying to be self conceded but i have tried many garen guides and i liked this one the best so i made a guide for it.

thanks for you're feedback again! means alot :)

I think this guide looks pretty solid that is the build. Only a couple things that I recommend: (A) I would say that you should choose between the Warmog's Armor and Frozen Mallet. I would buy one of those, and then build atma's. If you continue building like that you could have a game where you lose your lane, and end up not even finishing atma's. (B) You should try to learn some BB coding, and maybe use some templates to make the guide more attractive. (C) More detail would help out a lot. All criticism aside, the build is great therefore, you get a +1. Hope I helped, and have a good day!