If anyone was wondering, you max q. Q-e-e-q-max q. Wave clear, harass, and sustain, and you don't have to use mantra charges to use it effectively.

Welp I think I got my self chewed out for that one oh well.

Thank you for your advice and I am going to have to make some changes without a doubt.

I am simply trying to show everyone how to build Karma a different way that I have had success with i'm not saying this is the only way to build her but there is nothing wrong with the way I do. I don't understand why people fear change, Change is not always a bad thing. Just because you build her one way doesn't mean someone else can't build them another way, that is what I love about this game is that you can build different ways and still be successful. Thank you for your thoughts though I honestly appreciate it.

I'm just trying to show everyone what I play on Karma, it works for me and that's what I like about this game you don't have to build a champ the same way everyone else does, and it can still work i'm not saying you are wrong i'm just trying to show people a different way to build a champ that I love to play and still be successful different is not always bad.

I'm just trying to show everyone what I play on Karma, it works for me and that's what I like about this game you don't have to build a champ the same way everyone else does, and it can still work i'm not saying you are wrong i'm just trying to show people a different way to build a champ that I love to play and still be successful different is not always bad.

I have just begun to play Karma mid before her rework comes along and I have a few observations:

First, I get Q at level 1, but max Q and E simultaneously. This gives you much more consistent burst damage and farming power.

Secondly, I believe Liandry's Torment should almost always be built on Karma. Her W provides a long term slow that can apply the burn damage from Liandry's after your Q+E combo.

Finally, Rod of Ages and Morellonomicon are both fairly situational for Karma. RoA is good in most games but typically I skip over it if I am incredibly farmed and fed early on. Just personal preference for that item. Morello's is more situational and should be built against mids such as Soraka or Vladimir.

I won't downvote, but I really think you should just wait until the rework to make a guide on her.

One more thing: It's spelled laning phase not laning faze... ._.

He was actually referring to me. This is an extremely rare case of me being wrong. Maxing E is correct, but a simultaneous leveling up of Q and E is where it's at - frankly I would go QEE, depending on who's my lane opponent.

Well if you can even get Karma players to say something shouldn't be done, it's serious ^^. As a Karma noob I recommend maxing q and e at the same time. You can get a lot out of both, your whole team does. If you play with people who actually know Karma's abilities, that is. You probably heard it too much already, but I suggest you replace the Morellonomicon with a Deathfire Grasp. I think it would also be nice if you could talk about the skills and play-style, since I think Karma definitely needs that explanation. Like that W is your spell that can deal the highest damage(although a heal and shield are better). I really find it one of the most difficult champs to play. And, again, perhaps that's because of your awesome soloQ teammates who might've even never heard of this champ. When playing aram, a lot of people don't seem to understand that they should group when I'm ready to heal.

I also disagree. As an ex-Karma main, your build is wrong. Rod of Ages is good, but Athene's Unholy Grail is better in certain situations. Also, Morellonomicon is a situational item - why is it in your core build? Sure, it gives cooldown reduction, but really if you were looking for cooldown reduction, you'd go for a non-situational item like Athene's Unholy Grail. Also, Zhonya's Hourglass or Abyssal Mask are the core items, whereas Rylai's Crystal Scepter should be the "last item" - even then, it's not a good pickup.

And now we have actual news of a rework. Congratulations on that.

Throatslasher is THE karma...if he disagrees why would you even debate it?