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Leona Build Guide by TormentedX

Support [S4] Leona - The Suns Glory

Support [S4] Leona - The Suns Glory

Updated on May 12, 2014
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Emi (218) | May 14, 2014 11:03am
TormentedX wrote:

I am working on an item reference guide at the moment that describes why I buy an item and which scenerios etc, and In my oppinion, ancient coin is a start for a very pokeheavy lane where you cant afford to use relics charges without taking severe damage. Otherwise relic is a smarter start, but either are still viable.


Cool :) I'm sorry if I came off as too forward or argumentative (is that a word? If not, it's supposed to mean I argue a lot :3)... I only wanted to throw out another possibility that I have seen some of my higher elo friends take under certain circumstances. If you end up agreeing with Mooninites, you are more than welcome to just ignore my blabbering ^_^
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TormentedX (1) | May 14, 2014 9:54am
I am working on an item reference guide at the moment that describes why I buy an item and which scenerios etc, and In my oppinion, ancient coin is a start for a very pokeheavy lane where you cant afford to use relics charges without taking severe damage. Otherwise relic is a smarter start, but either are still viable.
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Emi (218) | May 14, 2014 7:08am
Mooninites wrote:

I think armor quints with health yellows would probably be more optimal.


I'm not sure why you're arguing with me if you said pretty much the exact same thing...

"An all in champ like Leona gains nothing from regen stats like Ancient Coin." Are you sure? You get into a bad trade that ends up chunking half your health. Are you saying that the health regen is completely wasted? Or like I said before, you're going against a heavy poke lane that's going to be bent on making you low enough so that you can't all in the very first place. You shouldn't try and outsustain the enemy team. But there's still the possibility of getting a different item that might make you a little durable in the times where you are unable to all in the enemy duo.

I'm not saying you should put Frozen Heart on there just for the new people. Perhaps I chose a bad example. I only wanted to make the point of putting explanations about your item choices in the guide.

Honestly, all I'm doing is trying to give out alternative choices... Alternatives aren't supposed to be more optimal than the main build. They're just there to provide a different path if the situation calls for it.
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Mooninites (275) | May 13, 2014 11:25pm
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I never said they bad. I merely said that Health seals were better.

All I said was that Ancient Coin should be mentioned as an alternative. It is good for the upgrade, as it gives you massive initiation/disengage/chase/mobility in general. By getting it first, it may not be as potent as Relic Shield, but it will pay for itself better if you don't have to sell Targons' later for talisman of ascension. Plus, it gives you better sustain if you're going against poke champions like Karma or Lulu, both being very strong right now.

Frozen Heart isn't that great. But which new player is going to know that if there's no explanation? I just used that as an example of how a niche item needs to be elaborated on. It isn't that good in most cases, but this does not mean that it is never viable in the entire game of League of Legends at any point in time under any circumstance whatsoever. With an explanation you can tell your reader when it is viable and why you should get it when the situation calls for it.


thats debatable. Full health yellows plus 2 armor quints and 1 health quint is a pretty popular set up. But I still think armor seals are on par with health seals in the bottom lane.

there is absolutely no scenario in which Ancient Coin is better than Relic Shield on Leona. If you're chosing to buy Ancient Coin just so you don't have to sell Targon's Brace later then you should really reconsider how to play the game. An all-in champion like Leona gains nothing from regen stats like Ancient Coin. You severely cripple yourself by taking it. I cannot think of a single time when it is a viable solution. Selling Targon's for Talisman later isn't even that taxing on your build.

If I'm playing against Karma I'm looking to all-in her not try and out sustain her, I'm never going to be able to out sustain a Karma as Leona with an Ancient Coin

So I guess your explanation is: "its okay because they are new". Totally the wrong approach, stop giving misinformation to new players and actually teach them the correct way to play. You're right Frozen Heart is sometimes viable, but so is Zeke's Herald, that doesn't make it a good item or one worth mentioning

I think you do a tremendous disservice in this case by giving bad information
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Emi (218) | May 13, 2014 7:28pm
Mooninites wrote:

Armor seals are okay.

Ancient coin is pretty much always a vastly inferior start to Relic Shield, Relic Shield allows you to shove to hit lvl 2 faster which is a big deal for Leona

also Frozen Heart isn't that great, some of this seems like ill-advised information


I never said they bad. I merely said that Health seals were better.

All I said was that Ancient Coin should be mentioned as an alternative. It is good for the upgrade, as it gives you massive initiation/disengage/chase/mobility in general. By getting it first, it may not be as potent as Relic Shield, but it will pay for itself better if you don't have to sell Targons' later for talisman of ascension. Plus, it gives you better sustain if you're going against poke champions like Karma or Lulu, both being very strong right now.

Frozen Heart isn't that great. But which new player is going to know that if there's no explanation? I just used that as an example of how a niche item needs to be elaborated on. It isn't that good in most cases, but this does not mean that it is never viable in the entire game of League of Legends at any point in time under any circumstance whatsoever. With an explanation you can tell your reader when it is viable and why you should get it when the situation calls for it.
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Mooninites (275) | May 13, 2014 7:07pm
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With the nerf to Armor Seals, Greater Seal of Health are better as of right now. I would take 9 of those seals along with 3 Armor Quints for a lot of early game tankiness. Added along with your Relic Shield, you'll be pretty difficult to kill during laning phase.

Speaking of which, you should mention getting Ancient Coin as an alternative :) It relies less on making sure you use the spoils to get the gold, and gives you more passive bonus regen once you start upgrading it. In my opinion, both face of the mountain and talisman of ascension are good items. But both can be utilized under different circumstances, and that's why I think you should at least write out why it's good as an alternative.

Your mastery trees are really weird o_O Why take Phasewalker and a single point in Meditation when you could put both points into Summoner's Insight ? It allows your Flash and Exhaust to be up more often, which gives you the opportunity to make more plays. In addition, I feel like the point from Enchanted Armor should be put into Unyielding . Yes, Enchanted Armor will give you bonus stats on your defensive items, but Unyielding will help keep you alive early game. Especially since you're melee and you're prone to taking harass.

You should really make a section describing your items. I do agree with pretty much all of the choices that you made, but you still need to tell your readers why you chose the item you did. For example, you could mention that Frozen Heart is good against Attack Speed champions like Master Yi or Vayne. Or another example would be to pick up Banshee's Veil if the enemy champion has long ranged skill shots like Javelin Toss or Dark Binding. Basically what I'm trying to say is: Write about the items you chose and tell under what circumstances are they most useful.

P.S. Another ward trick you can use is putting a Vision Ward directly on top of the Dragon ;) This way, there's no possible way for the enemy team to destroy your ward without aggroing Dragon as well.


Armor seals are okay.

Ancient coin is pretty much always a vastly inferior start to Relic Shield, Relic Shield allows you to shove to hit lvl 2 faster which is a big deal for Leona

also Frozen Heart isn't that great, some of this seems like ill-advised information
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TormentedX (1) | May 13, 2014 5:54pm
Thank you for your responses :) I did mention ancient coin in notes at the starting build, and Il review what you said and test it out. Il revise after a few tests.
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Emi (218) | May 13, 2014 5:21pm
With the nerf to Armor Seals, Greater Seal of Health are better as of right now. I would take 9 of those seals along with 3 Armor Quints for a lot of early game tankiness. Added along with your Relic Shield, you'll be pretty difficult to kill during laning phase.

Speaking of which, you should mention getting Ancient Coin as an alternative :) It relies less on making sure you use the spoils to get the gold, and gives you more passive bonus regen once you start upgrading it. In my opinion, both face of the mountain and talisman of ascension are good items. But both can be utilized under different circumstances, and that's why I think you should at least write out why it's good as an alternative.

Your mastery trees are really weird o_O Why take Phasewalker and a single point in Meditation when you could put both points into Summoner's Insight ? It allows your Flash and Exhaust to be up more often, which gives you the opportunity to make more plays. In addition, I feel like the point from Enchanted Armor should be put into Unyielding . Yes, Enchanted Armor will give you bonus stats on your defensive items, but Unyielding will help keep you alive early game. Especially since you're melee and you're prone to taking harass.

You should really make a section describing your items. I do agree with pretty much all of the choices that you made, but you still need to tell your readers why you chose the item you did. For example, you could mention that Frozen Heart is good against Attack Speed champions like Master Yi or Vayne. Or another example would be to pick up Banshee's Veil if the enemy champion has long ranged skill shots like Javelin Toss or Dark Binding. Basically what I'm trying to say is: Write about the items you chose and tell under what circumstances are they most useful.

P.S. Another ward trick you can use is putting a Vision Ward directly on top of the Dragon ;) This way, there's no possible way for the enemy team to destroy your ward without aggroing Dragon as well.
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Mooninites (275) | May 13, 2014 10:25am
Way too short and absolutely no depth or explanation for your decisions.

not really a fan of 0/9/21 on Leona, i guess it's personal preference, I think 0/21/9 or 9/21/0 are much better options.

I think armor quints with health yellows would probably be more optimal.

I don't really like Boots of Mobility on Leona, it's great for catching people, but I think leona is already pretty good at that with Solar Flare. I just don't really see a reason you would need them especially when you already have quite a bit of mobility from the Utility tree. I would probably go for more defensive boots such as Ninja Tabi or Mercury's Treads.

Starting Q or E is preference, but I think that maxing Zenith Blade second is much more optimal. It lowers the cooldown which gives you more opportunities to engage. I find that much more valuable that lowering the cooldown of your Q, even if it is a longer duration stun. I want to increase the number of opportunities I have to engage, especially when you seem to have a catch oriented build, with Boots of Mobility and 21 points in Utility

Just some things to consider
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