Could this get an update? If it needs one that is.

Thank you for the guide! :) Will you update it in the future?

This guide is awesome! I tried the most popular sion build on this site, but I really don't think he benefits from being full tank. I saw this one and it seemed more reasonable and it works! Sion has innate tankiness because of the passive on his shield, so if you build mainly damage like this and you get one or two tank items, he WRECKS. By maxing q first (unlike others that say e first) you chunk everyone in top lane, and forces them to miss farm. Late game, you can have nearly 1k extra health just from the e passive alone! No one can kill you, but you can kill them. Great guide. Thanks!

Just i was looking for.AD SION IS OP!!!

This guide is incredible. Not only has it got me into playing Sion, but it lead me into buying roughly 2,500 RP worth of skins for him. The guide is just a great wealth of information that doesn't leave out any necessary information. The writer himself, TheMadSiontist, has some great gameplay to show for it as I've seen in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4R59nMC3qA.

For your bugs section, I thought I'd add that Sion's ult can also be bugged out by Singed using his E on you while you use your ult.

How do you avoid getting fisted by olaf? I played a game where he just got off a freeze which i couldnt contest cause of no help from ape jglr and nidalee pressure, had to roam, got like 2 towers and 3 kills for team, still lost cause animal team. Laning v him doesnt seem like a option since you cant get away and he rapes your shield with his low cd nukes. I also went r-e-w-q max, with hybrid pen marks, hp/lvl seals, 2 armor quints, 1 as quint, 6 cdr/lvl blues and 3 mr/lvl blues. Should you just 1shot the wave 24/7 and cry for jungle help? I couldnt trade early either, cause he raped my shield and he was super tight on me so i cant land q.

Nice guide :))

Yeah that was my point, you're not dealing damage as Sion either way, no point trying to amplify your non-existent damage. AD marks won't be giving you damage either, but at least you'll be more effective thanks to your higher CS.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems a bit silly to me to claim that you shouldn't take hybrid pen from a late game perspective and then recommend flat ad marks. They're both pretty irrelevant at that point I'd say, and I do believe that a big deal of the damage dealt in lane is magical ( Soul Furnace and Roar of the Slayer). But I would only take hybrid pen if I were actually maxing E first (which I thought was normal for Sion), if you're maxing Q first I guess you might as well take armor pen or flat ad.

I agree with the rest though.

Regardless of the viability of hybrid pen, downvoting because I can't imagine how Thunderlord's would be more effective than Grasp of the Undying, and Titanic Hydra rush doesn't make much sense to me either.

True, I'm maybe not giving them enough credit since I was thinking more along the lines of a late-game scenario where you've built almost only tank stats rather than damage, but the point still stands that they would not be 100% necessary for playing Sion.



You will never be perfect at last-hitting, you will always average higher CS when using AD marks than without them. And this is without counting the fact that in some cases (under tower) it's downright impossible to last-hit certain minions unless you have sufficient AD, which you may have with AD marks but may not without them.

Taking into account both the fact that it'll make hard last-hits easier to achieve, and open up more possible last-hits under tower for you, you are 100% always going to last-hit significantly better with AD marks than without them, no matter how much you practice to overcome it. You can get better at it, but likewise it'll count towards getting better at last-hitting with AD marks, and the difference in CS will still always be AD > hybrid pen, never inverted or equal.