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Finally a solid Xin offtank build, I've been looking for one. A couple of things.
- Considering your first gank comes at around lvl 4, I would much rather have rank2 Three Talon Strike than rank2 Battle Cry as the TTS upgrade gives you 45 more damage in the gank while the rank2 Battle Cry only gives you 10% more base attack speed.
- After you get the Atma's Impaler you've spent 8400 gold according to my calculation (btw, there is an error in the item build here, it says the Merc Treads upgrade costs 1200 while it costs 850. 1200 is buying it from scratch). After 8400 gold, the majority of your games tend to end, so your core build would be Zeal, Frozen Mallet, Atma's. Getting warmogs after your core seems a little bit strange, very rarely will you ever finish it or power it up fully. Fully powered up it converts into 27 attackdamage via your atmas. While nice, hardly game changing so I wouldnt tunnel vision for it just cause its alot of hp and you have atmas. Instead I would probably try to build some sort of magic resist item here or an earlier GA.
Just for reference, there are 3 items in the game with HP and MR. Banshee's Veil, Aegis of the Legion and Spirit Visage. Personally I think all 3 look like good choices instead of warmogs.
- Xin doesn't need blue buff for his jungle route. Starting with TTS you can go Small Golems -> Wraiths -> Wolves -> Recall -> get red buff and lvl 4 of a creep camp of your choice -> FIRST GANK! \o/
Blue buff is risky! Almost all attempted ganks or counter jungles happens at blue buff and Xin jungles like a champ without it.
- While CDR is nice on Xin, I would rather get MR/lvl blue runes instead of flat CDR considering how late this build gets MR.
Dear Naug
thanks a ton for all your positive input. I will be looking at all of the things you said and see if i can make a vast improvement in the build. Also i do like your idea of maybe cutting out the warmogs, but i think it will be something i need to consider. I wont be able to change much in the next month or so because of my vacation, but when i return i hope to look and see if i can improve the build.
THANKS FOR VOTING !!! :D
Would you consider dropping Frozen Mallet for Trinity Force, Phantom Dancer for Wit's End, and Mercs for Berserker's? Gold and stats are about the same(after factoring atma) except you are closer to 4k hp and trade tenacity for 40 attack speed as well at TF and WE procs
Btw, I'm looking at build 2.
my 2c
dear Jinato
thank you very much for voting. i will look into that. but as it looks right now there will be another guide made with the other ideas that i have collected from here. But you should expect no changes will be made to my guide for the next 5 weeks or so. Im going on vacation to America and dont think i will have time.
Btw, I'm looking at build 2.
my 2c
- Considering your first gank comes at around lvl 4, I would much rather have rank2 Three Talon Strike than rank2 Battle Cry as the TTS upgrade gives you 45 more damage in the gank while the rank2 Battle Cry only gives you 10% more base attack speed.
- After you get the Atma's Impaler you've spent 8400 gold according to my calculation (btw, there is an error in the item build here, it says the Merc Treads upgrade costs 1200 while it costs 850. 1200 is buying it from scratch). After 8400 gold, the majority of your games tend to end, so your core build would be Zeal, Frozen Mallet, Atma's. Getting warmogs after your core seems a little bit strange, very rarely will you ever finish it or power it up fully. Fully powered up it converts into 27 attackdamage via your atmas. While nice, hardly game changing so I wouldnt tunnel vision for it just cause its alot of hp and you have atmas. Instead I would probably try to build some sort of magic resist item here or an earlier GA.
Just for reference, there are 3 items in the game with HP and MR. Banshee's Veil, Aegis of the Legion and Spirit Visage. Personally I think all 3 look like good choices instead of warmogs.
- Xin doesn't need blue buff for his jungle route. Starting with TTS you can go Small Golems -> Wraiths -> Wolves -> Recall -> get red buff and lvl 4 of a creep camp of your choice -> FIRST GANK! \o/
Blue buff is risky! Almost all attempted ganks or counter jungles happens at blue buff and Xin jungles like a champ without it.
- While CDR is nice on Xin, I would rather get MR/lvl blue runes instead of flat CDR considering how late this build gets MR.
You say that you've done some math on wriggles and stuff. How about testing out that warmogs/atmas combo. In my logic and bad math mind lets say that warmogs gives 1500hp fully stacked and that banshees veil gives 500 hp along with a Nice shield and some MR. The damage difference from atmas is 30/10. Imo i would as an OT rather have more survival (and yes BV gives more survival) than 20 extra damage which i actually find quite low.
Regards
your thinking to small. atmas takes your full hp. so it gives a approximation of 80 damage. also the banshees veil really doest help that much in a team fight. it may stop 1 stun but in a big scale you will then be a off tank who inst stunned while your whole team is... so that's almost useless. Also rather than getting the banshees im getting guardian angel. which gives a extra life pretty much. the whole idea of this is to actually give Xin some decent damage while still making him off tanky. im sure you could switch out warmogs but then your much more tanky and have less damage output. Xin is not a main tank so theres no need to give him the most MR that he can get. :D thank you for commenting hope i explained myself well enough.
Regards
Swap Warmogs for Banshee's and Zerkers for Mercs - Then you are good to go ^^
thats a great idea! i actually didnt think of that. was a build i had just tried yesterday and thought it worked well. thank you all for commenting and voting