Why is this not #1 yet? It is way better...

an excellent guide thanks alot +1

First character i used, was not that good until i read this guide +1 :D

i just want to let u know me using veigar vs swain in mid lane soloing, i will said the person using swain try to stop me from getting exp n harass me an bit but at the end the 3 death that u got was from me using the combo but it was stun n dark meteor n baleful n he is gone. I got like around 450 ap n even swain was no match for me 1 vs 1. n for annie i got her down to like 2 hp n she start to run so annie is easy to harass then she harass me. that wat i want to let u know from the games i have play. but for me on the items build i go 2 Archangel's Staff n the Sorcerer's Shoes n 3 Rabadon's Deathcap, if u are lucky to get one of the Rabadon's Deathcap n ur ap should be at 631 plus the baleful skill that u have got from the minion kills or more. just the last game i play i got 2 archangel n the sorc shoe n 1 Rabadon's Deathcap n the minion kills from the baleful skill n my ap was at 955 ap. that is how much i can kill like 3 ppl easy. that is wat i have go so far from most of my games becz it didnt last long becz ppl where give up n surrendering when it hit 20 mark. but i will keep test out the veigar items build. so yea


note: 1st game when the above item build got 35/0/15 n 2nd game went the same item build above n 40/1/9. i got close to 1.1k ap, for the 2 game was really long as game.

Just thought i'd provide some follow up feedback... I was just in a 5v5 game that lasted well over 1 hour and used this build. At the end, i had about 1000 ap and mana that regenerated almost as soon as i used it. The game was EXTREMELY well matched, and both teams nearly lost multiple times. At the end, i decided to push. I got into their base and blew through vayne, tryndamere, dr. mundo, and master yi without ever dropping below half health, killed both turrets, and blew up the nexus. This is an EPIC build! Oh, and i did this w/o any of the runes or masteries, because i somehow managed to select empty pages... so those would have just made it more insane. I was 25/3/11, with all three deaths coming before the 30:00 mark. Thanks again!

I like Veigar a lot, and have had some success with him, along with quite a bit of ...not success... to put it mildly. However, i do think he is a really good character if played correctly. I've tried several builds, but yours has by far resulted in the best performance for me. I'm still relatively new, so i don't have access to the full range of runes and masteries, but for what i have he is quite powerful. Thanks for the awesome build!

Only one question: Any suggestions on how to handle Vayne? Besides running, of course.... i've become good at that since everyone seems to want to play her lately.

awesome damn guide. I take this guide over any of the others every time. the AP potential is insane! went 23/2/15 first time i tried it!

Nice guide, +1 from me.

As the whole DM vs. EH, personally i found that a lot of people are realizing that they shouldnt run into the walls of EH, which ruins your DM. Early on its just not worth getting it, since it drains your mana down soooo fast, where you could be farming with BS. I like to go BS,EH,BS,EH,DM,ult,etc. This allows me more survivability and im able to lane longer. Just an opinion, great job again :)

I don't know if you said this in your guide, but in team fights i find Dark Matter an insanely awesome way to deal HUGE aoe damage! and since they will be distracted they wont know what happened till you blow them up! mixed with event horizon and a good baleful strike every now and then pretty much assures you kill most if not all your enemies :) and again man excellent build :D

Thank you many times, XxNovusxX,and I'm happy to hear the nukeage was successful. Stay nukin', brother!

- Yhello again, BushmanJohn. Constructive critizism is always welcome. Regarding your suggestion, I'll have to pass it down. There's 3 reasons as to why, and I'll list them here.

Why Not To Skip Dark Matter

Other then being one baaaaaadass meteor, there's 3 reasons why not to skip Dark Matter:

1. Event Horizon is nice to have in rank 2 for obvious reasons, but it's not necessary. Look to the tooltip; 1.5 second stun. Pretty dandy for an AoE stun.

2. Dark Matter: here's the catch. Dark matter has a delay time of 1,2 seconds. So in theory, it's guaranteed to land if you cast them in a fast sequence. And even if you don't manage that well, the enemy champion will not manage to walk out of it.
It takes practise, it took for me, and it'll take for you.

3. Your combo. It's necesssary if you want to kill a champion. And as it goes, meteor is your second best nuking abillity. You can't take people at 400-500 health down with just baleful and ulti, and they won't stay if they fall below.


However, skilling is all a matter of playstyle and prefferences. Play as you find fit.


Stay nukin'.