Maokai, Is he UP?

[quote=Dremu]Alright, I have a maokai guide, And from what I've been playing he's a AP support tank right? Wrong. He cannot be a tank there is no way, The more I play the more I realize how squishy he is, If he is a tank then he's a very underpowered one, I mean really? He has like no starter stats, Maybe they just haven't fixed him yet (not finished), But I think i'm gonna fix my guide to make him no longer the "Support Tank" I called him, He is unworthy now, I've decided he's to weak for tanking. DPS is another thing, His saplings do some damage with good AP, and his Ulti is kindof annoying to get used to, But all in all, they need to [color=red]BUFF[/color] him now![/quote]

[quote=caucheka]yeah. sure its annoying but its better than releasing a chacter thats op and then have to nerf in less than a day. ap maokai is a blast. those fucking saplings eat up anything that moves. i was once playing and there was an ashe in my lane, i had 0 cdr (messed up masteries before hand and no runes) and hit her 3 times with a sapling before she moved. (which is like 30 seconds) i continued to harass the fuck out of her and her lane partner poppy.[/quote]

[quote=Dremu]Hah nice, Yeah i'ma edit my guide here soon to make it an AP maokai, Non tanking but still some health items of course so that he can survive and heal more with his passive. + some magic resist I suppose. Hopefully it works out, If the server was up i'd test it but ya lol[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]i'd think it'd be better to make a new guide instead of editing. after all the scores you have now are for your tankai build. magekai is totally different :P on that magekai i did [[sorcerer's shoes]] 2 [[rabadon's deathcap]] [[sunfire cape]] [[morello's evil tome]] [[zhonya's hourglass]] was thinking about getting an abyssal scepter instead of the second deathcap but i changed my mind. if you max e asap by level 4 it clears caster minions if it hits on both damage. its also good to mention that if they get hit by both damage on e then its like the full ap ratio. (.4 initial and then .6 on the suicide)[/quote]

[quote=Dremu]I'm a bit lazy, I put atleast 2 hours into that maokai guide (Items is my most hated part takes longest lol) but I try, I may end up doing so later on if I don't make a trundle guide very soon. Which Trundle seems like it'd be a fun one to make :], But who knows I'll decide soon enough. As long as I can take the names from you "Tankai and Magekai" for each build, they are just amazing combination names lol[/quote]

[quote=Jet]he's fine the way he is, honestly you can build him with sunfire, frozen heart and zhonya's hourglass and literally rape face, solo or by harassing the team or rooting them until your team come. he's getting a little popular now in my elo, seen him for about 6 games and all 6 games they built him as a tank, outfarmed solo top and made it impossible to counter the enemy team at baron thanks to saplings + ultimate.[/quote]

[quote=Dremu][youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFj7zQeyq7E] Watch this, It's got nothing to do with maokai in particular but the jungling part is quite funny, What if Maokai soloed mid and tossed his sapling the way Veigar uses his meteor? It'd be awesome! lol[/quote]

[quote=DEWO]i TOTALY do not agree that he is a crappy tank. So far played enaugh games to get a feeling of this champ. I played Tank, AP/Tank, AP. For what i noticed atm is that he is accualy one of the best tanks ingame for full premade teams, but he is very bad tank for solo que fights. Why i do think so... well his ultimate... at 1st you might say that it is quite bad but take a notice. It gives FLAT 20% to ANYONE that stands in it. This means your whole team transform into tanks. This % based reduction cannot be "penetrated" by anything like ArP/Mpen either flat or % based since it is not Armor or Magic Res. It is flat reduction! Good positioning of this ultimate is a matter of win or loose, and for that you need to have a team that coops quite efficiently. Ofc he doesnt have other tanking abilities but that is covered by superior CC ability. Root, stun every 3-4 sec. And that staying power thx to passive. Totaly not UP.[/quote]

[quote=Vaan99]He needs skill to be played; noobs tell he's UP... I've seen only 2-3 good Maokai's so far, he has high skill cap.[/quote]

[quote=Desseus]I'm sorry but he is a great tank in my humble opinion with the correct items, ok sure going more of an AP/Support build will be more damaging and get a lot more kills with saplings but when you initiate a team fight and use his ultimate he can just destroy some team setups provided your team can work together and position themselves accordingly.[/quote]