7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=H4xDefender]Been swamped with the horrors of real life, and didn't want to make a post until I was about ready to update, there was a lot of playtesting that needed to be done to place champs in this new meta. It isn't just tanks that need to be moved, but also champs that deal with tanks well/poorly. Once 5.7 hits I'll be updating again.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Thanks for the update hax! Hope everything works out OK[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=NicknameMy]There is a difference between broken and op. An op champion has just too high stats, a broken champion has abilities which aren't really counterable and cause problems. If you combine that you get things like [[Xin Zhao]] at release or pre nerfwave [[Shen]].[/quote] Pre-nerf shen wasn't OP though. The things that were in the game at the time made him OP. For example, not a lot of people used teleport back then, just because most people wanted the kills from ignite. Once Teleport became popular, shen slowly started to drop off. Then, he just started getting outlaned by the people who bought teleport, and he was never seen again.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Let's not forget the now small width on [[shadow dash]] as well[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]And are we talking about before the damage reduction on Shadow dash, or after?[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Lugignaf]Pre-nerf shen wasn't OP though. The things that were in the game at the time made him OP. For example, not a lot of people used teleport back then, just because most people wanted the kills from ignite. Once Teleport became popular, shen slowly started to drop off. Then, he just started getting outlaned by the people who bought teleport, and he was never seen again.[/quote] A champion that was mandatory ban or first pick is the definition of OP regardless if you think the meta was played correctly or not[/quote]

[quote=utopus][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]And are we talking about before the damage reduction on Shadow dash, or after?[/quote] Doesn't even matter b/c you won't be able to successfully land a taunt anyways Kappa[/quote]

[quote=emoriam]What about [[Kennen]] support? Like [[Nautilus]] support is it only a thing in the competitive scene? What about [[Vladimir]] in mid lane? Is [[Urgot]] still a decent pick in 5.7 being at least better than Tier 3?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]So, we saw a [[shen]] from H2K pre the buff to his ultimate, so, yeah :D.[/quote]

[quote=I post stuff][quote=throatslasher][quote=I post stuff]It's amazing how little people know about [[poppy]]. ADC Poppy: As in [[poppy]] farming bot? It can work against the right match-up, with the right support. But why do it? Poppy Jungle: The most broken thing ever. Legal cheat. No, you don't play her like [[sejuani]]. [[valiant fighter]] makes you take no damage. There is a way to counter an early invade and secure even better late game. No, I'm not telling. Invading [[poppy]] in a place with a ton of walls she can stun you into is a bit silly anyway. [[poppy]] can actually secure a good amount of farm as a jungler, and pick up a bunch of kills. From there, she can carry the game. Poppy vs CC: Less so than most other champions. If [[poppy]] charges your ADC/APC, and it lives through her ult somehow you better blow all that CC on her. [[quicksilver sash]]. If the enemy team has something like a [[soraka]] or [[sona]] then GG FREE WIN. [[vayne]] is the only champion I can think of that can come close to [[poppy]] late game. True damage hurts. She can kite [[poppy]] if the fight breaks out in the right place, but conversely [[poppy]] kills [[vayne]] with a single [[devastating blow]]. tl;dr: [[poppy]] is broken as hell. This is why Riot is going to nerf her. Remember AP [[tryndamere]]? He had different strengths, but we're talking about this level of broken/toxic.[/quote] You're the reason people slap their knees laughing at mobafire. This is the most laughably ignorant post I've ever seen[/quote] No it isn't.[/quote]