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7.4 Tier List + AMA

Creator: H4xDefender February 20, 2014 5:06pm
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Why is Kha'Zix still so high in jungle? Is he still that good even after the nerf or have you not tested him enough to place him yet?
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Hes in playtesting for me atm.
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Why is kog good now? I know with twitch the attack speed runes really made him strong i read math wise he has highest dps of all adcs and especially at lvl 1 and early trades. Is kog similar with his on hit and attack speed?
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Cooper112 wrote:

Why is kog good now? I know with twitch the attack speed runes really made him strong i read math wise he has highest dps of all adcs and especially at lvl 1 and early trades. Is kog similar with his on hit and attack speed?

I'd say it's a combination of 3 things:

1)Nerfs to other champions.
2)Buffs to AS runes.
3) Bio-Arcane Barrage loosing it's mana cost.

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LevasK wrote:


I'd say it's a combination of 3 things:

1)Nerfs to other champions.
2)Buffs to AS runes.
3) Bio-Arcane Barrage loosing it's mana cost.


Partially correct. AS runes only made a very slight difference, and the nerfs to other champions are only very minor (actually, Lucian is stronger than ever and he can wreck kog).

A very major part has been the lane swap meta in competitive. The meta has developed from a fast push 1v2 meta to having the AD carry free farm in the top lane (because they can handle the enemy top 1v1 easily due to range). That way they can free farm really easily and means weak AD's can more easily hit their item threshold even in hard matchups.

Another part has been the rise of more defensive supports and utility carries in mid. These can peel for him and the enemy won't be able to kill you as easily anymore.
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LevasK wrote:


I'd say it's a combination of 3 things:

1)Nerfs to other champions.
2)Buffs to AS runes.
3) Bio-Arcane Barrage loosing it's mana cost.


I'd say it has more to do with botlane being less of a ****fest after Heal buffs, as well as the rise (more like people remembering he exists) of Jax drawing a lot of attention from ganks in toplane. Haven't really seen a successfull LCS Kog'Maw this split though, if i recall correctly.


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You're all wrong, it's because some Koreans played him. :^)

I think Kog is overrated though, especially if you're talking about solo queue. At least as long as Lucian and Twitch exist (i.e. not much longer).
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Luther3000 wrote:

You're all wrong, it's because some Koreans played him. :^)

I think Kog is overrated though, especially if you're talking about solo queue. At least as long as Lucian and Twitch exist (i.e. not much longer).


I dunno, I hardly ever see a Kog'Maw. He does pretty crazy damage but he's very vulnerable, obviously. Vayne and Jinx seem like better options.

Regarding Lucian and Twitch being popular, especially Lucian; I think Draven is seriously underrated atm as he's probably the only ADC who straight up beats Lucian and overall has more damage output. His mobililty is lower, that I admit, but it's by no means terrible.
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I would never pick kog in solo que. Twitch Lucian are better in every way and no one bans adc's so you will at least get one op.

Twitch is prob better late game than kog or on same level as hyper carry so why pick him when he is weaker early.

Lucian is amazing in all stages hes like corki super strong early with no fall off hes good at all points.
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Luther3000 wrote:

You're all wrong, it's because some Koreans played him. :^)

I think Kog is overrated though, especially if you're talking about solo queue. At least as long as Lucian and Twitch exist (i.e. not much longer).


Ya but koreans played him because they master the laneswaps / freeze tactic. + his synergy with Nami is insane who was a lot more popular out there than in EU/NA (until the start of spring split).

And yes, for solo queue kog still isn't a great pick but still quite effective if you have the correct composition / synergy. The reason its so good in competitive is because they can build their team around the kog.

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I'd say it has more to do with botlane being less of a ****fest after Heal buffs, as well as the rise (more like people remembering he exists) of Jax drawing a lot of attention from ganks in toplane. Haven't really seen a successfull LCS Kog'Maw this split though, if i recall correctly.


Partially correct again. It is one of the things that had effect on his resurgeance but it certainly wasn't one of the major points.




I dunno, I hardly ever see a Kog'Maw. He does pretty crazy damage but he's very vulnerable, obviously. Vayne and Jinx seem like better options.



Kog deals more damage than Jinx (because Jinx will use rockets for a large portion of the fights) and overall is less vulnerable due to slows and slightly longer range (which is not mana reliant) - she really relies on getting those passive resets.

Vayne is a lot weaker in lane than Kog (at least till 6) since he can actually fill a caitlyn kind of purpose with his W. She also doesn't work as well in more different kind of comps (she has no waveclear or siege potential which is really important in competitive).

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