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April 2, 2012 12:16am
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by RCIX » April 2, 2012 12:16am | Report
My friend is insisting that 2 ADs bot is better than 1 AD/support. Something about being able to zone the 1 AD + support. I'm trying to explain how that only works in low ELO because down there no one knows how to last hit and 2 ADs can farm more than one.

Like take a cait taric lane against, say... MF/Graves. Which wins (assuming good skill on all involved)?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by koksei » April 2, 2012 12:26am | Report
The thing why AD+ support is being played is because of this "supporting" aspect.

The support doesn't last hit/at least if the ad is there so he doesn't take any farm and the ad farms his *** off.
All "standard" supports have a shield or a heal which boosts the sustain of the lane.
Some supps have great crowdcontrol ali/leona.

I wouldn't say it's not viable but AD + support has it reasons ;)


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Lugignaf » April 2, 2012 6:43am | Report
Going off what koksei said, the main reason you stick a support down there instead of more damage is because you can only really get one person farmed. You remember pre-30 when the lane setup was 2-1-2 and mid always seemed to have more cash? It's simply because they don't have to share last hits. When you have two people bot lane that scale really well with last hits, it becomes a fight for farm. It's just not great for the team having two underfarmed people.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by xIchi » April 2, 2012 7:24am | Report
Just take something else as a 2nd AD Carry,
e.g. Jungler on bot instead of the jungle. Why? Cus most Jungler don't need that much money and are not itemdependant as other champs (yes yes they still ned something). But their damage scales well even without all the farm.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by JEFFY40HANDS » April 2, 2012 7:41am | Report
Your friend is wrong. For right now AD+Support is the best set up possible. With Lulu in the mix it is possible we might see AP+Support bot.

If your friend insists on being wrong it's simple tell him

-2 AD splitting farm is bad because neither gets strong
-Support+AD bot is a safer lane
-AD+Support typically means there will be a ward in or around dragon+tribrush at all times.
-Overall your friend just seems to be rather new to the game, or ignorant to how LoL is actually played. If he wants to test the theory that double AD>Support+AD I'll gladly make him see why he's wrong.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Yukimaru » April 2, 2012 10:01am | Report
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by NinjaGinge » April 2, 2012 10:10am | Report
Lol, I really don't think there's anything left to add to this discussion.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by DuffTime » April 2, 2012 12:25pm | Report
TBH AD carry archtypes are fairly weak laners.

Now with the sustain nerfs, even most supports are weak laners.

I think over time new methods may evolve, but not methods like adding more weak laners into the mix.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Maserato » April 2, 2012 6:58pm | Report
Cassiopia bottom with a roamish lulu support is dominant right now
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Shiikan » April 2, 2012 9:17pm | Report
Early game, the Miss Fortune and Graves will win, no doubt.

Early game from the Miss Fortune and Graves perspective:

Downsides:
>>: You can't distribute the farm nicely between Graves and Miss Fortune.
>>: They won't have a support.
>>: No support means no wards
>>: No wards means death from jungler and ganks (considering the enemy has one) as well as leaving dragon vulnerable

Upsides:
>>: They may get a tower.
>>: They may get a kill or so
Early game from the Caitlyn and Taric perspective:

Downsides:
>>: Not as much damage going through.
>>: Will be out harassed unless that Caitlyn is really good and the opposing Graves and Miss Fortune are really bad.

Upsides:
>>: Late game you have a Support
>>: Caitlyn gets all the farm
>>: Your support will ward
>>: Wards save lives and protect dragon
>>: You can get that tower back easily in late game if you push

Late game, the Caitlyn and Taric has a better payoff.

Choose your poison.
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