Deserved ELO?

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=OTGBionicArm] [[Viktor]] is my most played champion as well. I don't claim to be a pro, but I'm somewhat (admittedly) a try-hard with him. I don't like to believe in things like tier lists and anything other than absolute counters (IE; Galio Counters all casters). A character like [[Karthus]] is more about outplaying him. That's the only point I was trying to make. And I'll admit I only got somewhat defensive because Luther instantly jumps to the "Oh, That [[Karthus]] just sucked; you didn't do as good as you think you did!" type response. [/quote] I'm not saying you should believe in tier lists, hardcounters, the bible or even santa claus. [[Galio]] doesn't counter all casters but does very well against most of them. The point about [[viktor]] is, that he wants to achieve two things: [list=1] [*] Achieve total lane dominance. A [[Viktor]] who utterly dominates his opponent in lane is likely to deny his opponenent a lot. [*] Becoming much stronger than the enemy mage. A good [[Viktor]] will abuse his lane dominance in a way that he will become much stronger in teamfights than the enemy ap carry. This is because [[Viktor]] lacks range when it comes to teamfights, better make up with damage. [/list] If a [[Viktor]] can't do this, he's basically countered since there aren't any reasons to pick him then. [[Karthus]] takes away lane dominance hard. Again, I'm not telling you that picking Karth is a gg for Viktor because that's not the nature of mid lane, however it's a huge setback if you do not achieve to get lane dominance which is what a good Karthus is going to do to you. Countering doesn't mean 'to shut down' per se. Countering is all about taking away the advantages of that champion. [[Viktor]] is usually chosen for his great laning power, if he loses that.. what's the point of picking him?[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=OTGBionicArm] Well he obviously isn't. [/quote] Adding to that, with this statement you basically call me a retard.[/quote]

[quote=albableat][quote=GrandmasterD] Sorry but I have to say that you are completely wrong. Any Viktor player who just uses a full mres page, yes that will be me, simply shuts [[leblanc]] down! Rushing an [[Abyssal Scepter]] seals the deal. I've ran the setup a couple of times and no [[leblanc]] player had any chance against it. [rule] Runes 9x[[Greater Mark of Warding]] 9x[[Greater Seal of Shielding]] or 9x[[Greater Seal of Clarity]] or 9x[[Greater Seal of Warding]] (The scaling ones are useful, but not necessary) 9x[[Greater Glyph of Warding]] 3x[[Greater Quintessence of Warding]] [/quote] Mmmm, Im pretty damn sure that if anyone uses this, they can pretty much neglect anyone's damage. What if I use the same trollpage on LB? This is a very rare case (at least I probably saw someone once doing this on Galio) And also, no one ever prevents LB from rushing [[void staff]] which is quite cheap. I was speaking mechanics, when I said that LB counters Viktor. The only way to hit a ray is to: a) get that dumb bug (that should be fixed.....) when the ray goes invisible b) accidentially hit it from max range, just because the enemy walked into it O_o c) get at point blank range and hit the opponent with the end of the ray While a and b are possible against anyone, scenario C vs LeBlanc means you're exposing yourself to maximized damage combo which can many times 100-0 a Viktor (as squishy as he is). Of course, I keep in mind your shitload of MR, so I'll likely ask for a gank too to get some physical damage. Viktor usually pushes pretty hard and a player with a lot of resist will likely feel confident and stick around. Maybe 80~ MR is a problem for LB, but dat Ree Singah will have no problems with melting down the 17 armor and 500 hp healthbar. Or are you runnign something like 9-21-0 on Viktor too? :DD + past getting Void Staff, I don't see any reason why this runepage should stop me from dealing damage to Viktor. Even if you build MR, you still have less health that you would usually. So it kind of evens it out.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=albableat] a) get that dumb bug (that should be fixed.....) when the ray goes invisible [/quote] I was actually getting this constantly when I played against GMD, lol. It's very annoying.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=albableat] [quote=GrandmasterD] Sorry but I have to say that you are completely wrong. Any Viktor player who just uses a full mres page, yes that will be me, simply shuts [[leblanc]] down! Rushing an [[Abyssal Scepter]] seals the deal. I've ran the setup a couple of times and no [[leblanc]] player had any chance against it. [rule] Runes 9x[[Greater Mark of Warding]] 9x[[Greater Seal of Shielding]] or 9x[[Greater Seal of Clarity]] or 9x[[Greater Seal of Warding]] (The scaling ones are useful, but not necessary) 9x[[Greater Glyph of Warding]] 3x[[Greater Quintessence of Warding]] [/quote] Mmmm, Im pretty damn sure that if anyone uses this, they can pretty much neglect anyone's damage. What if I use the same trollpage on LB? This is a very rare case (at least I probably saw someone once doing this on Galio) And also, no one ever prevents LB from rushing [[void staff]] which is quite cheap. I was speaking mechanics, when I said that LB counters Viktor. The only way to hit a ray is to: a) get that dumb bug (that should be fixed.....) when the ray goes invisible b) accidentially hit it from max range, just because the enemy walked into it O_o c) get at point blank range and hit the opponent with the end of the ray While a and b are possible against anyone, scenario C vs LeBlanc means you're exposing yourself to maximized damage combo which can many times 100-0 a Viktor (as squishy as he is). Of course, I keep in mind your shitload of MR, so I'll likely ask for a gank too to get some physical damage. Viktor usually pushes pretty hard and a player with a lot of resist will likely feel confident and stick around. Maybe 80~ MR is a problem for LB, but dat Ree Singah will have no problems with melting down the 17 armor and 500 hp healthbar. Or are you runnign something like 9-21-0 on Viktor too? :DD + past getting Void Staff, I don't see any reason why this runepage should stop me from dealing damage to Viktor. Even if you build MR, you still have less health that you would usually. So it kind of evens it out. [/quote] LeBlanc gets crushed before she even thinks of getting void staff.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=OTGBionicArm] Well he obviously isn't. [/quote] Adding to that, with this statement you basically call me a retard. [/quote] I didn't. I had no idea he had used your name as a acronym. (I just now caught it when I saw this comment) I'm done with this, I said I was sorry. Can we all move on now? :p[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=GrandmasterD] LeBlanc gets crushed before she even thinks of getting void staff. [/quote] You guys could just duel. I'm spectating if this happens[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I'd watch too![/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]We can fit in 10 viewers easy, 8 ingame champs that can dance at their nexus while watching you guys + two spectators. We can even sell tickets if we get too many people trying to watch[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]too bad alot of us are on different servers. :p[/quote]