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DFG is being removed.

Creator: Electro522 January 13, 2015 7:05pm
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But I like my freelo with syndra :( I 1v1'ed a corki with tri force, last whisper and zerkers while I had dfg and a dorans ring while being 2 levels behind. That was funzies

@False Champs I build dfg regularly on are: Lissandra, Katarina, Leblonk, Syndra, Morde, Annie, Ahri, Fizz, Veigar and Diana from time to time. 10 out of the 30ish playable ap mid laners (not counting cheesy things like ap malph) still seems like a lot to me :P

Funnily enough I have tried lich bane + dfg on lux a few times for ***** and giggles and it's hilarious. Ever had someone flash over a wall with 800~ hp with dfg animation + lich bane auto chasing after them? "an enemy has been slain" (granted I was super ahead that game)
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XeresAce wrote:
I 1v1'ed a corki with tri force, last whisper and zerkers while I had dfg and a dorans ring while being 2 levels behind.
Yet you cannot understand why they're removing it? /facepalm

Also at least four of those champions I never see anyone building dfg on except maybe as a very late game item, but I'm not a mid laner.
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I cannot agree with the DFG removal. The item had an active with limited range and demanded both tempo and positioning to pull off . If you were subjected to DFG, you were in range, just like with every other ability. It's the same as a Zed/Kat ult: if they pull it off well, they deserved it because either your team was a) Engaged correctly; b) blew their cc and failed to save what was needed to stop the assassins;

Most DFG correct usage situations where mostly the fault of the target combined with a well-thought trap/engage from the user. You deserve to be blown apart if you're facechecking into a mage, be it lebonkers or syndra. You don't deserve to escape with 50 hp due to flash + heal because they no longer have DFG when you were stupid enough to put yourself in that situation. (I do agree Syndra's laning was oppressive though, but that's her numbers + range + abilities more than just the DFG)

I just feel like it's ridiculous how AD assassins are allowed to kill you in 0.3 seconds but apparently mages aren't. Leblanc will need to pull off pretty much every single ability now, Ahri will need to expose herself ridiculously or pull off really amazing Charm (her range is pretty mediocre, she has no real resistances), Syndra will...still press R I guess, Mordekaiser - who is already pretty freaking ****py - will leave even more space for the target of his ult to get shields and healing effects on top of him.

On the other hand, if they're going to balance around the non-existance of dfg, lolz. Either they'll give them better scaling/numbers which will try to replace an item - which means they'll get more damage even if they're playing like ****, whereas DFG actually costed gold - or these buffs will be pretty eh.

tl;dr: **** this ****.


@XeresAce: I think you're overestimating the real users of DFG though, it's nowhere near half the ap midlaners unless you're meaning top tier ones, and even then not really. Or you're building DFG on Lux, meaning I'll have to slap you sometime in the near future.

Couldn't agree more.

Edit: Love it how no one seems to mind the fact that Rengar and Kha'zix are able to oneshot targets despite being built moderately tanky, let alone Zed and Talon, who have little to no counterplay whatsoever.

One can argue that people have been utlizing DFG to turn practically any AP champion into an assassin, whilst the ones who have been building it typically had high burst that allowed them to capitalize on it. Kat, Lissandra, Ahri, LeBlanc, Annie, Veigar are some that come to mind.

Simple number tweaks on Ahri (or any DFG user, for that matter) simply won't be able to compensate for the removal of DFG, either, and its removal is bound to make people play pretty much only Xerath, Syndra, Orianna, Azir (and probably some LeBlanc, too) on mid lane as far as AP carries go.
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@above

DFG removal is NOT about oneshotting stuff. It's about having to balance gameplay and champions around the existence of one single item, making it really hard to balance the game properly.
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Then why does Blade of the Ruined King exist, an item which is basically in the same spot?
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Pretty sure they're just going to give themselves more work this way. DFG was around since forever, and people have never *****ed about it so much. Resorting to such measures isn't going to fix things.
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NicknameMy wrote:
Then why does Blade of the Ruined King exist, an item which is basically in the same spot?


Riot already answered it in the quote I provided just a few posts above.

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/general/dfg-is-being-removed-33806?page=3#comment-1004955

You guys are all jumping the gun without even knowing Riot's reasoning.
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I main...the entire top lane.
I miss: Tank Rengar top, AD Nidalee, Mash Keyboard Ryze...the OPs
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Gah, there will be no reason to ever pick LeBlanc again with DFG being removed. Do you need more reliable burst damage? Zed. Do you need more reliable catch? Ahri. Need more consistent damage? How about every other mage in the game? With DFG's removal, there will be no field that leblanc will excel in.

Making LeBlanc's burst conditional on landing the chains is ludicrious, with the chains being so easy to dodge with her already countered by Banshee's Veil.

I'm pretty sure this is the 2nd most severe kind of backlash the community will have against rito, right behind riot's attempted rework of Lee Sin
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Well, people who have been blindly following koreans (or brainless sheep, as I like to call them) have been building Morellonomicon in favor of DFG, even though there's no reason to buy it unless you don't manage to get a lead. Eh, I'd still say she'd see some play purely because of that.
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