Flash: Should be removed or further nerfed.

[quote=Riggsinator]Honestly, Flash should just be removed. I for one only use it so I can catch the people that flash over walls and that stuff. Flash has just become too much of a crutch for players that always put themselves in bad positions and don't pay attention to the map. Flash can effectively counter/dodge a majority of ults. Just a quick list of the ones off the top of my head: Jarvan, Nunu, Katarina, Gangplank, Fiddlesticks, Anivia, Morgana, and Pantheon. When the ult happens, Flash, and you're safe. Ok the Fiddlesticks one is a bit of a reach because he can fear, but still. When 90% of games that I am in has 4-5 people using Flash, you know it's use is way too high. Especially when you got garbage abilities like Rally and Revive. An item with flash in it would be fine. But a summoner spell of flash is just too wrong. Especially when Riot keeps claiming they are trying to make the game more offensive and less defensive. In conclusion: Flash is just boring and predictable. Become too much of a crutch for the unaware and benefits poor strategists too much.[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]Well this debate is new? I still stick to my opinion in this question: Neutral![/quote]

[quote=Xaioli]Wait, am I the only one that uses Flash aggressively? Either way, I don't quite get why people complain too much about Flash. Is it because its a Get Out of Jail Free Card? Well so is every other summoner out there. Flash tps you to a location not too far on a long cd. That's it. Ghost will cover far much more land than Flash, but it's not instant. Ghost is still a get out of jail free card. Take exhaust for example. With new exhaust, you cripple the enemy and can basically dive/escape the enemy like it's nothing. Again, a get out of jail free card IMO. Don't like the way he's looking at you? Exhaust him. Lastly, heal. It dosen't cover ground, but it HEALS you. Way to psyke an enemy out than to lead them on ready to dive you at 200 hp, only to just pop Heal while he's diving. Flash is fine IMO.[/quote]

[quote=Read]Yah its just like almost any other spell or ability. Weak in the hands of an idiot. And powerful in the hands...well almost anyone else. Its pretty easy to counter flash. Just make them waste it.[/quote]

[quote=Illuvitarian]"don't like the way an enemy is looking at you, exhaust him" -xaioli HILRARIOUS but so true PREACH BROTHER!! He's right though heal, exhaust, flash is great if used properly and terrible if forced to waste. Ghost gets ALOT of greedy players in trouble but thanks for the great post xaioli![/quote]

[quote=Kuro13]I don't really see what the big deal is, there are plenty of champions that can teleport/jump in and out of situations on a much lower cd than flash, a few that come to mind are LeBlanc, Kassadin, Katarina, Tristana, and no one ever complains about that. Also you seem to be ignoring the offensive uses of Flash, I always bring Flash with Rammus and Galio, sure, I may use it to get out of a bad situation from time to time, but the whole reason I bring it is so I can initiate with it.[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]Xai's pretty much right (except I think heal is pretty weak XD, but yes, good for tricking people). I also use Flash offensively (depending on the character). Your point about aoe ults being able to be dodged, well, I actually like that. AOE teams would otherwise be even STRONGER than they already are. AOE ult teams would easily roflstomp people that don't have a blink (or a Janna!!!) if we didn't have flash. I guess we'd just have to all start taking exhaust now to exhaust them all! Ghost/Flash are 2 of the strongest summoner spells simply because they provide what a lot of characters lack, MOBILITY. It will be hard to implement a mobility summoner spell without it seeming worthwhile to take every game.[/quote]

[quote=Read]Exactly. I always take 1 mobility spell and one offense spell. For instance, with EZ i take Ghost and ignite. Offensive but already have a blink. With Swain I take Tele and ignite because I can defend towers like a boss. Tanks need tele a lot of the time to get to towers or fights. And certain tanks like Alistair or galio NEED flash to initiate. So I dont only think it is good but it is a necessary mechanic of the game. IMO[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]Old debate is old. Flash was already nerfed a few patches ago.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]It was nerfed more than a few patches ago.[/quote]