How Do You Jungle Udyr Now?

[quote=Jebus McAzn]standard blue start phoenix jungle is 3:30 standard blue start tiger jungle is 3:40 however phoenix can go straight to double golems after wraiths meaning more time on red buff while tiger goes from wraiths straight to red, wasting time[/quote]

[quote=Dante Rebellion]Doesnt Pheonix require a fuckton of attack speed runes? Which is pretty meh once you change to tiger stance for the mid-late game?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Jebus McAzn] however phoenix can go straight to double golems after wraiths meaning more time on red buff [/quote] Tiger can do this as well. Won't change your jungle very much, if at all.[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=Jebus McAzn] however phoenix can go straight to double golems after wraiths meaning more time on red buff [/quote] Tiger can do this as well. Won't change your jungle very much, if at all. [/quote] You're forced to complete red buff without Smite making you vulnerable to counter-junglers and exiting at lower health than you would otherwise - but it's not HUGELY influential.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Not at all. I did mini golems without smite. It doesn't change much, believe me.[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn][quote=Lugignaf] Not at all. I did mini golems without smite. It doesn't change much, believe me. [/quote] Not at all what I was saying, but okay.[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288]Does this make him in the top three for jingling now or no.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Jebus, you said that you would have to take on Red without smite. I say, you don't. You don't need to smite the golems and if you only used smite once, you will have smite up by the time you get to red anyway.[/quote]

[quote=Milkstarz]Tiger jungle is the fastest, imo[/quote]

[quote=VoiD]AS runes = Phoenix Other = Tiger.[/quote]