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Is Vayne simply a better Ashe?

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I just bought Ashe (new player here) and played my first real game. I was laning with Vayne (not a good combo I'm sure but we were doing co-op vs AI and we didn't really know any better) and it turns out that Vayne was simply destroying. Everything Ashe can do, Vayne can do better, it seems. So, I read a guide on Vayne by jhoijhoi who also wrote a guide on Ashe. In his Vayne guide, he said Vayne is pretty much a better Ashe. So... is it?
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Well Vayne is perhaps easier to carry with
I Can imagine. She's a "hyper-carry". But Vayne
lacks the same initiation as Ashe does, in regards
to her ultimate. Ashe's ult is among the best initiations
in the game.
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The thing is, Ashe may not have as much damage, but she makes up for that in utility. Unlike Vayne, she has a slow, a free Clairvoyance and one of the best initiating abilities i the game.

As for Vayne, her kit is built around murdering with some support. She doesn't really have a reliable stun, but she has a powerful steroid, (in other words, an abilitity that increases her power), a mobility tool and the ability to deal true, unmitingated damage based on the max HP of your enemy.

The point is that she will have a far better time if she gets a reliable stun, unlike Ashe, who can use her ultimate to stun, then her slow to effectively trap an enemy champion. They are both late-game carries, but how do they carry is the difference.

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What the hell. Lol.

Ashe and Vayne are about as different as it gets.
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DuffTime wrote:

What the hell. Lol.

Ashe and Vayne are about as different as it gets.

I thought the same...

Ashe has various slows, an AoE spell, a free Clairvoyance, extra gold, and a long-distance stun / slow.

Vayne has a roll that increases the damage of her next auto-attack, a knock-back, and increased AD / movement speed. They're nothing alike, lol.

I think you meant the title to be "Is Vayne simply better than Ashe?".
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Ashe is like low damage output per right click utility carry with low mobility in every regard.

Vayne is like super hyper damage per click with mobility out the *** and almost no utility at all.

I'd say it's like comparing apples and oranges, but it's really more like comparing hamburgers and ice cream.
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DuffTime wrote:
but it's really more like comparing hamburgers and ice cream.


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idk, but i like vayne more :).
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I would have to say Vayne is better than Ashe for many reasons or if your asking for a support then Ashe wins hands down.

IMO
  • Vayne deals more damage in the beggining
  • Ashe her passive requires that she does not move to use it
  • Vayne's passive is a good chase
  • While Ashe has her slow Vayne speeds up to get ahead
  • Vayne has a stun when she knocks her opponents into terrain
  • Ashe's Ulti is a good team start or to save your allies
  • Vayne's Ulti gives her even more chasing components

So if essence Vayne is a better carry. IMO

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Mintleaves wrote:

[*] Ashe her passive requires that she does not move to use it

It doesn't require her not to move to use it, it requires her not to auto-attack, basically meaning, she's got 100% crit chance on her first shot every time she enters the lane.
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