
Saintvicious wrote:
If someone can't stay alive in lane for 6:30 seconds on their own then they got problems.
Eh, been out the past day so I can't reply to all of these, so I'll pick out this one because it's the last one I see.
Yea no offense man but this is a very noon comment, reason being if you rush archangels or simply want to dominate your lane meki is amazing to have.
People get worries when you can always harrass and they never will be aggressive against you if you always have the mana early to sustain your push/ harass
Don't get me wrong dorans items are good but if you use and rush mana % items which is great on a ton of champs the meki + 2 health pots or 1 hp pot and 1 mana pot is much more useful
If I'm running a bot lane it's always nice to have a meki + a hp pot + a ward for the river bush and you can do some serious damage and be safe I ALWAYS like getting an early lead ;)
But I'm not trying to put you down, to each there own I just think you ought to try it before you knock it bro
Semper Fi!
"Yea no offense man but this is a very noon comment, reason being if you rush archangels or simply want to dominate your lane meki is amazing to have. "
Rushing Archangel's is only viable on one champion and one champion only, Karthus. If you want to dominate your lane, you get Boots and 3 potions and/or a catalyst. You can either avoid their harassment with relative ease, or put pressure on that they can't avoid because they go slower than you do.
If you can find me a single case of a tournament (like Dreamhack/IEM) game where someone started with a Meki pendant (or in fact, finished with a Morello's Evil Tome) then I'll give you credit. However, in this metagame, you start with Boots + 3x Pots, Doran's, or rarely a Sapphire crystal for a RoA.
FYI, you can't afford a Meki Pendant + Pot + Ward, and AP casters shouldn't be bottom lane anyway - and support shouldn't be buying a Meki Pendant EVER...
Anyway - about Morello's AGAIN -
Though your argument about Morello's would be 100% valid if you could assure one person blue buff for the whole game, the fact that blue buff/pot is even in the game nullifies it. You can't have it all the times on some badly composed teams, sure (ignoring the fact you can get it from killing people) - but the fact that you get 9% CDR from masteries, 6.5% (iirc) from runes, and 10% from the potion makes only about 14% of it actually good - of which you can get from boots of Lucidity. Sure, boots are situational, but if they're heavy CC you can just get an Elisia's Miracle. There are champions (like Vlad) who benefit more from CDR than MPen boots, and since Mercs are the only thing that makes boots situational, slap some Tenacity there and you're fine.
Illuvitarian wrote:
Yea no offense man but this is a very noon comment, reason being if you rush archangels or simply want to dominate your lane meki is amazing to have.
People get worries when you can always harrass and they never will be aggressive against you if you always have the mana early to sustain your push/ harass
Don't get me wrong dorans items are good but if you use and rush mana % items which is great on a ton of champs the meki + 2 health pots or 1 hp pot and 1 mana pot is much more useful
If I'm running a bot lane it's always nice to have a meki + a hp pot + a ward for the river bush and you can do some serious damage and be safe I ALWAYS like getting an early lead ;)
But I'm not trying to put you down, to each there own I just think you ought to try it before you knock it bro
Semper Fi!
"Yea no offense man but this is a very noon comment, reason being if you rush archangels or simply want to dominate your lane meki is amazing to have. "
Rushing Archangel's is only viable on one champion and one champion only, Karthus. If you want to dominate your lane, you get Boots and 3 potions and/or a catalyst. You can either avoid their harassment with relative ease, or put pressure on that they can't avoid because they go slower than you do.
If you can find me a single case of a tournament (like Dreamhack/IEM) game where someone started with a Meki pendant (or in fact, finished with a Morello's Evil Tome) then I'll give you credit. However, in this metagame, you start with Boots + 3x Pots, Doran's, or rarely a Sapphire crystal for a RoA.
FYI, you can't afford a Meki Pendant + Pot + Ward, and AP casters shouldn't be bottom lane anyway - and support shouldn't be buying a Meki Pendant EVER...
Anyway - about Morello's AGAIN -
Though your argument about Morello's would be 100% valid if you could assure one person blue buff for the whole game, the fact that blue buff/pot is even in the game nullifies it. You can't have it all the times on some badly composed teams, sure (ignoring the fact you can get it from killing people) - but the fact that you get 9% CDR from masteries, 6.5% (iirc) from runes, and 10% from the potion makes only about 14% of it actually good - of which you can get from boots of Lucidity. Sure, boots are situational, but if they're heavy CC you can just get an Elisia's Miracle. There are champions (like Vlad) who benefit more from CDR than MPen boots, and since Mercs are the only thing that makes boots situational, slap some Tenacity there and you're fine.

@jun That is what I meant, being situational in this case means I (as in focus on me) can't rush it. Why? Cause I don't have the experience you mentioned. I need to see more of most games to know. Or else it's just a lucky shot when an early situational works for me. Except for almost always getting mercs early (full boots instead of just tier ones) in lane against a hard-cc opponent.
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It's just outclassed by alot of items. Your first item on almost any AP cary will be either RoA or Deathcap after that you get either defensive items like banshee's or damage items; deathcap if you didn't rush it or voidstaff. There are also not a whole bunch of champs that benefit from CDR more then they do from straight AP and if they do you most likely be getting boots of lucidity. Maybe if they made Morrelo's cheaper with more ap on it it'd be more popular but atm it's just ourclassed by alot of other items.
unosnow wrote:
It seems this item is fairly cheap and meki pendant is a building item for it
Also, the fendish codex is about 300g more then tear of the goddess which most people use as a alternative, but the codex gives 10% CDR and 30AP
The only answer i can come up with is that most people will build archangels staff and a banshee's viel
You've sort of got a few misconceptions here.
You're not building Morello's for mana regen, you're building Morello's for the 20% CDR.
Morello's won't sustain skill spam in a fight, Archangel's is built to be able to spam skills.
A Meki pendant rush would probably be okay in some lanes on some champions, but not in all lanes and not on all champions. An example of a champion who uses Meki pendant 2 HP pots well might be Urgot (Although you rush the Tear of G on him.
A champion who uses a Fiendish codex rush very well; Kayle.
In fact I will sometimes rush a DFG on Kayle and then rush Morello's and a Lich Bane. It's a pretty funny build xP
As an AP carry, you'll want to carry hard. You'll want early Rabadon's, but after the rabadon's, Morello's could potentially be an option.
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The main issue is that DFG is really a superior item in most ways.

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Caps me out along with masteries Runes and Randuins ^^
Other than that, if I am forced to give away blue alot midgame on fiddle - But usually that isn't the case so it is indeed VERY niche item.