Is Nautilus a good jungler?
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Sej is better assuming you can land a solid ult, Naut is goof because you aren't skill shot dependent but unfortunately not get much more than one knock up if the enemy is smart. If you are into counter jungling you can give a go at Trick2G's Udyr build and control the jungle but you will lack presence in other lanes. Amu is good one he has ulti, map awareness, and team presence. He also clears fast but not nearly as much as kayle, yi or udyr.
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I find it weird that everyone here says 
Nautilus's clear time is so slow, because at least compared to Rammus, I've found Nautilus's clear time to be faster, because his damage is so much higher. In addition, his shields keep him from taking too much damage from jungle monsters, so I've found that I'm able to stay in the jungle longer before having to go back to base to heal up and/or buy.
However, I have found Rammus to be better in other ways. The biggest advantages are that he can move around the map so much faster and that he can be tanky right away even when he doesn't have a lot of items. This makes it much easier for me to start ganking sooner with Rammus than with Nautilus. I feel like Nautilus is much more item dependent -- needing Mobility Boots to get around and a couple of tank items before he starts to get tough.
However, I will say that Nautilus's ganks are terrific. The key to ganking with him is to try to walk right up to people and auto-attack snare them and pop a slow on them. Doing so lets you save your anchor for after they flash. Then, if they try to escape in any other way, you have your ult to pop them up and stun them for the final kill. (Or depending on the situation, you might start with the ult and then walk up to them and auto-attack them).
Nautilus's clear time is so slow, because at least compared to Rammus, I've found Nautilus's clear time to be faster, because his damage is so much higher. In addition, his shields keep him from taking too much damage from jungle monsters, so I've found that I'm able to stay in the jungle longer before having to go back to base to heal up and/or buy.However, I have found
Rammus to be better in other ways. The biggest advantages are that he can move around the map so much faster and that he can be tanky right away even when he doesn't have a lot of items. This makes it much easier for me to start ganking sooner with Rammus than with Nautilus. I feel like Nautilus is much more item dependent -- needing Mobility Boots to get around and a couple of tank items before he starts to get tough.However, I will say that
Nautilus's ganks are terrific. The key to ganking with him is to try to walk right up to people and auto-attack snare them and pop a slow on them. Doing so lets you save your anchor for after they flash. Then, if they try to escape in any other way, you have your ult to pop them up and stun them for the final kill. (Or depending on the situation, you might start with the ult and then walk up to them and auto-attack them).
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sirell wrote:
Rammus doesn't have to only deal with Trundle. I assume you're talking about jungle Trundle here, but it doesn't matter if it's top or jungle anyway. If Trundle isn't where Rammus is, even if Trundle apparently does well against Rammus (which I feel he doesn't, really), then there's nothing to stop Rammus from taunting your mid laner or ADC or support or whoever Trundle isn't. Trundle isn't some great underrated counter to Rammus.At the moment,
Rammus does a decent job of clearing and a near-enough job to Nautilus. One thing that does have to be said, though, is that he does bring a ****-ton of CC that I don't think any other jungler can match and he scales with HP, which can make him ridiculously difficult to kill if he gets even one or two core items. I'm also not convinced that his ganks aren't that great. In fact, he's one of the only junglers I'd say that doesn't require the lane to set-up CC for the gank when he has his AA-snares. I would say that he's a CC-heavier version of Lee Sin, tbh. What he lacks in damage, he makes up for in CC.His main problem has always been jungle clear and proneness to 1v1 invasions. Most other common junglers don't suffer this as much. That and he can be slow as **** without
Mobility Boots.So I take it you're a rammus main? XD
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So I take it you're a rammus main? XD
Nope. Barely touch him. It's just common sense. A jungle counter is only a counter if it prevents the enemy jungler from doing what they are supposed to do - stop them from ganking, stop them from farming camps, make them lose their pressure, etc. How does a
Trundle hope to stop a Rammus? The armadillo isn't heavily reliant on clearing camps and he moves around the map much faster than Trundle ever will. And if he's unable to gank a Trundle lane for some reason, there's two other lanes for him to gank.I'm actually closer to a
Nautilus main actually. He was one of my go-to junglers in Season 3 before they changed the jungle and indirectly nerfed him. I was like 11-2 on him or something pre-change and then 13-10 or something. Jungle changes hit him HARD, you can ask C4 Lasty, he was a Diamond 1 Nautilus main at the time and he said Nautilus fell hard to tier 3-4 or something like that. I think the rune and jungle changes since then may have addressed it a little bit, but the first clear is still pretty painful.Something else I forgot to mention is that the major thing about the first clear that makes
Rammus slightly better is that Nautilus takes a lot more damage than Rammus does, so Naut might use 3 pots, whilst Rammus only uses 2. That can have a pretty big effect on whether or not you can stay in the field. Nautilus really needs to rush Spirit of the Ancient Golem whilst Rammus can get away with rushing Mobility Boots without having to upgrade Quill Coat.
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Nope. Barely touch him. It's just common sense. A jungle counter is only a counter if it prevents the enemy jungler from doing what they are supposed to do - stop them from ganking, stop them from farming camps, make them lose their pressure, etc. How does a
Trundle hope to stop a Rammus? The armadillo isn't heavily reliant on clearing camps and he moves around the map much faster than Trundle ever will. And if he's unable to gank a Trundle lane for some reason, there's two other lanes for him to gank.I'm actually closer to a
Nautilus main actually. He was one of my go-to junglers in Season 3 before they changed the jungle and indirectly nerfed him. I was like 11-2 on him or something pre-change and then 13-10 or something. Jungle changes hit him HARD, you can ask C4 Lasty, he was a Diamond 1 Nautilus main at the time and he said Nautilus fell hard to tier 3-4 or something like that. I think the rune and jungle changes since then may have addressed it a little bit, but the first clear is still pretty painful.Something else I forgot to mention is that the major thing about the first clear that makes
Rammus slightly better is that Nautilus takes a lot more damage than Rammus does, so Naut might use 3 pots, whilst Rammus only uses 2. That can have a pretty big effect on whether or not you can stay in the field. Nautilus really needs to rush Spirit of the Ancient Golem whilst Rammus can get away with rushing Mobility Boots without having to upgrade Quill Coat.I'm convinced. XD I'll get Rammus right after I get leona. I'll see how he is. Times I've used him I feel alot like I'm taunting incorrectly, so I might read up on him more.
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like Sirell said about C4 Lasty being a Naut main, you should talk to him and ask him if there is anything you want to know about naut, you could probably add him if youre on NA if hes still playing
oh also nautilus is pretty bad in the current meta, however he stomps at lower elos because people dont like to counter jungle and his CC can win teamfights
oh also nautilus is pretty bad in the current meta, however he stomps at lower elos because people dont like to counter jungle and his CC can win teamfights
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Regarding Trundle "countering" Rammus, I've played 500+ ranked games with Rammus and I've never even noticed Trundle being an issue. In fact, it was only recently that I even knew about Trundle stealing armor and MR from me. I usually have so much armor and MR that even after Trundle steals some of it, I'm still quite tanky. I pretty much ignore him and focus on taunting carries or guys who are trying to attack my carries.
Trundle "countering" Rammus, I've played 500+ ranked games with Rammus and I've never even noticed Trundle being an issue. In fact, it was only recently that I even knew about Trundle stealing armor and MR from me. I usually have so much armor and MR that even after Trundle steals some of it, I'm still quite tanky. I pretty much ignore him and focus on taunting carries or guys who are trying to attack my carries.
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I actually own all of those other than Rammus. XD Sej is pretty good, but I feel until her ult naut has better fights (Maybe I just use him better). And the struggle with Shaco is I don't farm or gank because I love counter jungling, and Vi is just alright. However, Ammumu? I like to use him, but I have destroyed oh so many by counter jungling. It's mean when you don't let an Ammumu get his first buff until he's level 10...