OTG's SoloQ Tier List (Patch 4.20)

[quote=utopus]So why is udyr so high all of a sudden? I thought that all he does is just run at people lol. I'd like you to consider kayle jungle too. Luigidragon really likes kayle jungle in this patch, and i believe that she is at least worth considering adding to the list. Sauce: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzw8F9259Rs]:D[/url][/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I played [[Kayle]] jungle right away and it felt pretty bad tbh. She felt way easier to jungle with before this patch, now the jungle beats the ever living shit out of her in the first clear. Now I'm not some really great player or something, but just giving my impression on it. [[Udyr]] can basically clear all but one camp in his first clear, which is pretty stupid....he clears ridiculously fast as well, which makes devourer pretty strong on him.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I played [[Kayle]] jungle right away and it felt pretty bad tbh. She felt way easier to jungle with before this patch, now the jungle beats the ever living shit out of her in the first clear. Now I'm not some really great player or something, but just giving my impression on it. [[Udyr]] can basically clear all but one camp in his first clear, which is pretty stupid....he clears ridiculously fast as well, which makes devourer pretty strong on him.[/quote] Surprised I'm not seeing too many Udyrs, considering the devourer does more damage technically, considering you don't need to get the first 30 and it starts at 40(?) each auto. Was fun on Nocturne though; got ~100 stacks for the first time.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Soraka's bullshit imo. She just stands a mile back regenerating her hp, letting the ADC 1v2, take idiotic trades and then instantly heal up to full. Then later she saves anyone who gets low by healing them over and over again. I'm not sure if she's OP or not but it's absolute ebola to play against and I'm glad she's not popular at my MMR.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Luther3000]Soraka's bullshit imo. She just stands a mile back regenerating hp, letting the ADC 1v2, take idiotic trades and then heal up full hp. Then later she saves anyone who gets low by healing them over and over again. It's absolute ebola to play against and I'm glad she's not popular at my MMR.[/quote]she's not popular at mine either, only time I see anyone play her is when I pick her. xD Though I'd like to point out that she did that before they reworked her tbh. Even after the nerf she could do that.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted][quote=Luther3000]Soraka's bullshit imo. She just stands a mile back regenerating hp, letting the ADC 1v2, take idiotic trades and then heal up full hp. Then later she saves anyone who gets low by healing them over and over again. I'm not sure if she's OP or not but it's absolute ebola to play against and I'm glad she's not popular at my MMR.[/quote] I have a problem with her because I learned how to use her really well right before they changed her kit. She's different, different is bad, AHHHHHHH!!!!![/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Though I'd like to point out that she did that before they reworked her tbh. Even after the nerf she could do that.[/quote] Yeah but it was on like a 20 second cooldown before and old Soraka's Q was pretty much useless unless she got suicidally close.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Luther3000]Yeah but it was on like a 20 second cooldown before and old Soraka's Q was pretty much useless.[/quote][[Astral Blessing]] healed for more (admittedly not much more after they changed her passive), gave a massive armor buff, and her old Q reduced the cooldown on it...even after Q did no damage it had a low mana cost and you could lower the CD of her W by quite a bit just by spamming it, and it's not like the enemy could avoid that happening either except by being out of range (and then you just picked her against melee champions who really couldn't even do that without being useless themselves). Not saying she's not way better now, but they said they weren't going to change her role with this rework. Complaining that they made her the same is silly, because she has actually more counterplay options now than she did before.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]It doesn't matter because her old Starcall range was like 500, so if you ever got in range to use it you were dead or taking massive damage in most matchups. 20 (or slightly less) seconds of cooldown is a lot more window for counterplay than 2-4. She just stands way behind the ADC not getting in range, which is what she did before, but [i]now[/i] she has poke and no cooldowns to punish. The only thing you can do is try to zerg her. Pretty sure they actually made her more toxic than she was before.[/quote]

[quote=Jovy]The heal CD/strength and Q damage/range weren't Soraka's problems, though. Her lack of CC made it impossible to deal with ganks and most match-ups. 0 disengage when against things like Thresh and Leona (as they were then and are now popular) wasn't going to work out. And now although she's lost her "good heal" and "good Q" she gained a snare and a slow and most importantly she gained the ability to stay at a distance without losing XP or putting her ADC in danger.[/quote]