Saw This in PBE o_O

[quote=Hannul][quote=OTGBionicArm] [quote=Hannul] [[Quinn]] is like CAWWWWWW but yeah her passive and kiting is broken. you can build 2-3 tank items and still be dealing a lot every teamfght. bare minimum offensive items are [[bloodthirster]]/[[blade of the ruined king]] and [[last whisper]] [/quote] She doesn't play like a standard ADC though, amirite? [/quote] yeah...[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]urgot doesnt play like a standard adc either, and neither did ezreal once bluebuild was a thing[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Urgot isn't a marksman, and Im not sure what riot's thinking was making him one, considering he doesn't really... auto attack much. [[Ezreal]] has had so many build shifts over the course of his existence it's hard to tell what he is anymore.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]tbh urgot could be better if they increased his AA range some more and made his Q's be more like auto attacks[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]If they gave him a new ult and increased his AA he could be an actual carry. Riot wont do that though cause thye like him being some niche ranged tank pseudo initiator thing.[/quote]

[quote=Fat_fast]Even so, I doubt urgot would be a normal adc, don't think there's room in his kit for crit. I could see that he get BoTRK for the AA and enhanced tank killing experience, but that's about it. Still a big buff IMO.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Well think about it, he only currently doesn't have room for crit due to his short range and initiation ultimate forcing him to be a bit beefier. If urgot had normal carry range and a different ultimate, he could forgo beefy items and do something like [[The Bloodthirster]], [[Trinity Force]], [[Last Whisper]] etc. Also if we exclude his ultimate, if he was a ranged carry, he would be able to kite effectively while still being able to nail damage dealers behind their bruisers with his abilities and debuff them. He would become a very high skill cap marksman.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]i like his ult, the range on it is just super shitty, the best youre going to get is a tank in the middle of your team where he wants to be while you get buttsexed in their team i really like his ult but i think it should be put on a different champion, imagine an awesome zaunite robot tank champion that uses urgots ult to force the other team to initiate[/quote]

[quote=TheKut][quote=OTGBionicArm] [[Graves]] deserves some form of bonus %health damage on his Q or ult, seeing as he primarily sits at damn near melee range and the most common thing he's likely to ever hit is a tank or bruiser. -.- Can we have [[Graves]] and [[Kog'maw]] buffs please? While we're at it, let's rework [[ashe]] to not suck. [/quote] I believe they are thinking about a minor rework or buff to [[Graves]]. They are discussing decreasing his AA range while buffing his base AA damage and AS. I think they were also talking about adding a %Bonus Arm Pen to his [[Quickdraw]] and faster and higher scaling on his passive. [[Collateral Damage]] is up for a potential buff as well. They are considering giving it full damage on the splash effect as well but reducing the cone area. The goal as I understood it was to make [[Graves]] this bruiser shredding kind of adc who goes all in and shreds the frontline and then backs off, and not the poke/siege kind of adc.[/quote]

[quote=utopus][quote=OTGBionicArm] If they gave him a new ult and increased his AA he could be an actual carry. Riot wont do that though cause thye like him being some niche ranged tank pseudo initiator thing. [/quote] He used to be an initiator. His ult used to have a range of 1500 or something ludicrious. This was back in the day when there were very few [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/toplist/top-10-malphite-guides]Rock solid[/url] ways to initiate team fights. It was so ridiculous, since he could just trade spots with another key champion, have his team 100-0 their swapped carry, and then support him. He's obsolete - at best. He would be a strong carry... If it was early season 1 still, but riot's hardly done any work to get him out of the 18th century. [quote=OTGBionicArm] Graves deserves some form of bonus %health damage on his Q or ult, seeing as he primarily sits at damn near melee range and the most common thing he's likely to ever hit is a tank or bruiser. -.- [/quote] While i do think graves is a little weak right now, I do like how his buckshot is right now. His Q hardly does any damage at a distance, I think it has its moments against assassins. As graves, I am seldom scared of melee AD assassins, like talon or rengar - even khazix. If an assassin gets close to me, I'm usually not even scared. A point blank buckshot will likely outdamage a non-isolated [[taste their fear]] at all stages of the game. Throwing smokescreen on myself and [[quickdraw]]ing away makes it quite easy to kite assassins with only 1 gap closer. I think graves may be on par with vayne in terms of dealing with assassins.[/quote]