Stacking Items need a buff?

[quote=NicknameMy]They need all to be cost efficient at 5 stacks, then they are viable. I think the one which could use them best is [[darius]]. Cuz hey, the only reason you play him is to KS with [[Noxian Guillotine]], and that 5 times.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=NicknameMy] They need all to be cost efficient at 5 stacks, then they are viable. I think the one which could use them best is [[darius]]. Cuz hey, the only reason you play him is to KS with [[Noxian Guillotine]], and that 5 times. [/quote] making them cost effective at 5 stacks would be ridicolous and make them viable for almost all characters and champions like lux or lb who do get this item would now be forced to get some quite major nerfs.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]If I recall correctly, Mejai's is already cost effective at 5 stacks.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Luther3000] If I recall correctly, Mejai's is already cost effective at 5 stacks. [/quote] True. Occult at 7 and Leviathan at 11.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]i thought you needed 7 for mejais :o? damn friends, telling me lies.. edit: at what point is it slot-effective?[/quote]

[quote=SirAeros][quote=Pølsemanden] health snowball item and AD snowballer needs a buff. AP's fine as it is. [/quote] ^Finaly someone who thought but Continuing Rolfstomp Boots Do it Riot[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=SirAeros] [quote=Pølsemanden] health snowball item and AD snowballer needs a buff. AP's fine as it is. [/quote] ^Finaly someone who thought but Continuing Rolfstomp Boots Do it Riot [/quote] Hey, that is exactly the same like saying "make all items at 5 stacks cost efficient", because [[mejai's soulstealer]] is at 5 stacks cost efficient.[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka]Strictly, Mejai's is not actually cost-efficient until 6 stacks. It's [i]almost[/i] cost-efficient at 5 stacks, but you've still paid some 18 gold more than its stats are worth as base items. At 6 stacks, you've gained some 144.5 gold more in stats than you paid for. (Numbers taken from some old math of mine at [url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkzF06wI4oFgdEhXdzRlcWxqUkVyNHhreXJnbEhPUkE[/url].) To compare, Leviathan takes 10 stacks to reach a similar point, while Sword of the Occult also takes 6 stacks. [size=2]EDIT: Fixed link so it actually works.[/size][/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I calculated it now and after my calculaton [[leviathan]] needs 67 HP per stack to be as cost efficient as [[sword of the occult]] or [[mejai's soulstealer]]. Here is a graphic for this: [img]http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4288/stackingitems.png[/img][/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=NicknameMy] I calculated it now and after my calculaton [[leviathan]] needs 67 HP per stack to be as cost efficient as [[sword of the occult]] or [[mejai's soulstealer]]. Here is a graphic for this: [img]http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4288/stackingitems.png[/img] [/quote] Great, but you haven't made explicit how you decided the values for HP, AP, and AD. And I know that you haven't used the same value numbers I have (see the second page of my spreadsheed), because all of the items are reaching 1:1 cost-to-stat ratios between 4 and 5 stacks rather than between 5 and 6.[/quote]