Vampirism Quints on Draaaven?

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Vapora Dark] Well on topic, I wouldn't include them in your main build in your [[draven]] guide, they should be listed as situational / optional. Generally AD carries benefit more from ArPen / flat AD marks and flat AD quints, whether they want to take lifesteal or not is up to them. You shouldn't be telling them to take it. [/quote] Thanks for the insight, Vapora. I'm still testing them out myself. I just wanted to see what everyone thought of them. :/[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Imo lifesteal is worse than both ArP and AD. :P[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Luther3000] Imo lifesteal is worse than both ArP and AD. :P [/quote] Thanks for the answer to the actual question. :p Would you still say it's a viable option if so wanted, perhaps? +rep to anyone who answered the question btw.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=OTGBionicArm]Ok this isn't supposed to be a post about if ArP is better than AD runes. Period. This is supposed be about if Vamp quints are worth it or not. I'd appreciate if we get back to the original subject.[/quote] Most people will tell you that lifesteal quints are shit. The main reason for this is that "when you are out of position, you are already dead". I like lifesteal and spell vamp because they let me heal up after a big teamfight.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Temzilla] [quote=OTGBionicArm]Ok this isn't supposed to be a post about if ArP is better than AD runes. Period. This is supposed be about if Vamp quints are worth it or not. I'd appreciate if we get back to the original subject.[/quote] Most people will tell you that lifesteal quints are shit. The main reason for this is that "when you are out of position, you are already dead". I like lifesteal and spell vamp because they let me heal up after a big teamfight. [/quote] I can't tell if you're saying they are ok or not. XD Thanks for the answer though. I didn't think of them as a way to make up for being out of position though. I've just noticed that in many team fights, sheer life steal is what keeps me going and able to stay there the entire fight instead of having to run. So I had a theory about using the quints.[/quote]

[quote=Xaioli]If you're going to call yourself an "AD player", you at least need a set of ArP and AD quints and reds. Anyways to answer your question, it's hard to get away with running vamp quints compared to flat AD or ARP. Really, you're going to need that extra AD or ARP to trade more efficiently. Vamping to sustain is easy enough with a early scepter and dblade and you really don't need an extra +6% lifesteal when you can pressure the lane more with extra damage. Just to bring up a small final point, you are going a sustain rune set up with those runes. Sustain comps in bot lane used to be very strong until hard engage proved otherwise. You need all the firepower you can to fight for your lane. Hoped I helped![/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Xaioli] If you're going to call yourself an "AD player", you at least need a set of ArP and AD quints and reds. Anyways to answer your question, it's hard to get away with running vamp quints compared to flat AD or ARP. Really, you're going to need that extra AD or ARP to trade more efficiently. Vamping to sustain is easy enough with a early scepter and dblade and you really don't need an extra +6% lifesteal when you can pressure the lane more with extra damage. Just to bring up a small final point, you are going a sustain rune set up with those runes. Sustain comps in bot lane used to be very strong until hard engage proved otherwise. You need all the firepower you can to fight for your lane. Hoped I helped! [/quote] This helped a lot actually, and thank you. Honestly I've been testing all kinds of rune setups for [[Draven]], the whole ArP vs AD rune thing is so confusing to me because many higher elo players run AD runes on him, and others dont. The guides for him on solomid mostly use AD, yet everyone seems to valiantly argue ArP is better. Which is why I just go with the word "preference", I guess, because either side has a lot of argument to their case. :/ But this post told me exactly what I needed to hear, and it's true, it sucks in lane, especially with my play style, as I prefer hard engagement with [[Leona]] support. XD I was thinking too much about teamfighting and not about laning...[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Life steal is based off the damage you deal, if you deal no damage the returns on your life steal is nonexistent. You're better off investing in AD/ArP (at least that is how I feel currently). Xaioli said it best already IMO. But I thought I'd give my view on it.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] Life steal is based off the damage you deal, if you deal no damage the returns on your life steal is nonexistent. You're better off investing in AD/ArP (at least that is how I feel currently). Xaioli said it best already IMO. But I thought I'd give my view on it. [/quote] Like I said I was thinking too much about in team fights as opposed to laning. Thanks though, Jeffy.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Aphromoo is the best Draven in the world and he uses full ArP, so I trust his judgement over any guides. He also taught me the wonders of the 19/11/0 mastery page.[/quote]