caucheka wrote:
i really hope you're being sarcastic with that statement, gmd.
In most cases, assuming we're talking about soloq, that statement holds because communication is next to nothing. Sure if I see them using their summoner's/ultimates I have an idea of when they will be back up but can't be sure. The HuD in spectator mode would be perfect for the game in order to display your allies' cool downs on their ultimates and summoner's.
You can't force people to communicate with you.
But it doesn't show CD, duh.
You completely ignored his point. I would understand if you had a counterpoint, but you don't.
But it doesn't show CD, duh.
You completely ignored his point. I would understand if you had a counterpoint, but you don't.
caucheka wrote:
so because people cant communicate the game should do it for you. thanks.
you do know they already have a icon showing if the ult is up or not, right?
Sirell already mentioned you ignored my points, but I guess I'll explain it again. Reading seems to be very tough.
LoL introduces a solo experience in a team game where there's no real ability to communicate. Typing takes too long and pings aren't detailed enough. And don't bring up 3rd party software like Skype, TS, Crs Voice, what matters is the game itself! At this point it's tough to communicate with your allies in a split-second and make decisions off that.
Yes I know. I'm also aware that it bugs out frequently and it doesn't show the cool down; which means that if it's not up that I do not know if it's going to be up the fight or not.
communication is one of the skills required for a team based game. the time that can communicate better will usually do better.
just because you or your teammates suck at communicating you expect riot to bend over backwards and support you because oh woe is you elo hell solo queue.
tl;dr league is becoming the next WoW, jump ship before its too late.
just because you or your teammates suck at communicating you expect riot to bend over backwards and support you because oh woe is you elo hell solo queue.
tl;dr league is becoming the next WoW, jump ship before its too late.
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caucheka wrote:
communication is one of the skills required for a team based game. the time that can communicate better will usually do better.
just because you or your teammates suck at communicating you expect riot to bend over backwards and support you because oh woe is you elo hell solo queue.
tl;dr league is becoming the next WoW, jump ship before its too late.
Neither team can communicate better unless given a third party software. This won't do anything for the game as a whole, nor make individual players better. It will just give the players who do pay attention to the map, who do pay attention to windows of opportunity, etc. a way to pass this information on quickly to their allies and thus improving soloq as a whole.
League is a team game which offers too little communcation options for randomly matched teammates to get real plans going. Soloq differs so much from Ranked 5's in play as a result of this.
caucheka wrote:
tl;dr league is becoming the next WoW, jump ship before its too late.
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As mentioned earlier, you cannot force your teammates to communicate with you. If I type in 'Your Ult CD?' repeatedly and they just don't answer for whatever reason, how is this a player skill-related thing? If you're gauging a player's skill, getting screwed over because your teammates have communication problems is not skill-related. Even if you are a teamplayer, there's no guarantee that your team will be as communicative as you are.
I still don't see a counterargument.
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Welcome to the first deep-dive entry in our ongoing League of Legends design values! A few weeks ago we spoke about our core design pillars in League, and we promised additional entries that would go in-depth with each particular one.
Up today we've got Richard 'Nome' Liu, an environment and clarity designer for League of Legends. In addition to talking at length about gameplay clarity, Nome's also going to be talking about the decision-making that went into the development of jungle timers. So read on to hear Nome's thoughts on clarity and why it's so important to League of Legends as a whole!
Can you spot exactly where you are in a teamfight?
When you glance at the scoreboard, can you figure out whether you or your opponent has a higher minion score in less than three seconds?
On first use - without reading the tooltip - can you understand the full effects of an ability?
On a deeper level, how much information does a player need to make a meaningful choice, and how many more layers can be added before that choice turns into bookkeeping of obscure information?
Where information is presented is important. When Shyvana was updated, her melee attack effects were moved to their affected ability tooltips -- since that's where they're most relevant!
These are the kind of challenges – and more – that the gameplay clarity team tackles on a daily basis, and they're ones that we firmly believe can be improved in League of Legends. As mentioned in our design values dev blog, gameplay clarity is incredibly important for the evolution of League of Legends and our mission is to ensure that players are fighting their opponents, not the game.
But what is gameplay clarity? Clarity is pervasive. It's in visuals, gameplay, design, art, and everything in-between. In League of Legends, gameplay clarity relates to the availability of information as well as the intentional obfuscation of it. We can make clear gains – like updating minion particles to be more accurate in their direction – but these aren't what we’re here to discuss.
So what are we here for? Well, with the push of Jungle Timers to the PBE, we felt this would be a good time to discuss gameplay clarity in spaces yet to be explored as well as how we're aiming to improve your gameplay experience.
Boiling down what we talked about in our design values, League of Legends provides three basic paths to mastery: personal expertise, teamwork, and adaptability – our focus will be on the first. Personal expertise is a complex soup of skills but we can generally agree that elements like mechanical mastery, situational awareness, and game knowledge are vital ingredients.
Most of these are universal to the League of Legends experience and are agnostic to the map, mode, or champion you play – though a few of them can be overloaded based on your preferences. Regardless, we've also declared that a few things aren't part of the experience, like hardcore multi-unit micromanagement, rote memorization of patterns, or bookkeeping.
The new jungle timers are nestled at the top of the screen. They won't be presenting any new or hidden information. Rather, they present existing information in a visual display.
Jungle timers fall into that last case, and serve as an example of important information being presented in an impractical manner. Looking back, there was a lot of internal debate over whether this level of information should be exposed.
On one side, a case could be made that map-level objective awareness is a significant aspect of skill – and to that, we wholeheartedly agree. We would not, for example, alert you when an opponent entered your immediate radius from fog, nor would we ever track enemy cooldowns for you. Your interactions with your opponents are sacred and we will always leave those interactions alone.
On the other side – and here's what finally changed our minds – the jungle is a constant environment; unlike champions, monsters will always be where you expect them to be; unlike cooldowns, there is no variability in respawn rates. With timestamps available in the team chat window, timing of jungle monsters often came down to whoever remembered to type it out. We also don’t want to beat around the bush here: the emergence of third party applications put fuel on the fire, but they only increased our confidence that such a feature was in line with our values.
Ultimately, the question we asked was whether bookkeeping of jungle timers (which, as I mentioned before, was often solved by doing quick math in the chat box) contributed satisfaction of the play experience and we realized it was just too much of a routine task to be of significant value.
But this dev blog isn't all about jungle timers (although they're the most contextually relevant), and I'd like to highlight other uses of clarity. We're not always about displaying all information – clarity is about intentionality: a game that makes every piece of knowledge available creates information paralysis, while a game that hides all information promotes mental archiving rather than rewarding moment-to-moment mastery. The job of design is to use informational clarity (or the lack thereof) to create interesting situations.
It's extremely important for players to understand when they're being targeted by a turret. At the same time, it's important to leave space where players can be baited into taking turret shots as well.
To provide an example in which clarity is important in limited scope, we can look at turrets. It's incredibly important to understand when you're targeted by a turret, as their attacks are especially impactful and feature a unique set of rules: they ignore a portion of your armor and deal increased damage with each successive hit. To this end, turrets utilize exaggerated ceremony: there's a persistent targeting laser, a distinct sound alerts you when you're targeted, and it fires bright balls of energy. Now here's something turrets don't feature: a persistent range indicator (outside of Co-Op vs AI and beginner games).
Certainly a range indicator would improve clarity around the turret – no one denies this. A scenario where one player harasses another under the turret is rife for plays to be made, and this contributes heavily to our decision-making. When an indicator is present, the play is between the aggressor and the indicator rather than the aggressor and the defender. If we were to make turret range indicators permanent, then aggression would be boiled down to who can toe the line better, which ultimately decreases the potential for interesting plays to arise.
For my final point, we've covered when information should be exposed and when it should be hidden. Now, I want to briefly touch on when information is available but inaccessible.
A good example here would be the visual update to Karthus' Lay Waste. The previous particle grossly misrepresented the ability's area of effect, while the new particle is far more functionally accurate. In approaching a change like this, the argument could be made that inaccurate particles create gameplay through deception, but this collides directly with clarity as a core value: the game should never deceive players. The player should deceive other players!
It was easy to hide the old particle, but the resulting gameplay was deceptive. The new particle communicates the gameplay clearly.
On this point, creating gameplay through intentional miscommunication doesn't actually add depth or personal mastery. One Karthus may be strategically and tactically superior to the other, but if the better Karthus loses because he didn't know the skittle extended beyond its indicated hitbox, that's not a victory that can be chalked up to skill. The job of clarity is to refine knowledge such that both parties can make intelligent choices. If one player makes a fatal error (either due to a lack of knowledge or mechanical skill), they should lose due to their opponent's superior skill, not the inconsistency of a game rule (that all particles accurately represent their hitboxes).
We're passionate about pushing League of Legends to be more readable, understandable, and usable – all so that we can put the focus back on personal mastery. On that note, while clarity is a design value we've been pursuing for some time, it's also one where we have great opportunities to grow. Our hope is that as we continue to add more clarity to League of Legends, we'll also be pushing the envelope of player skill.
Either way, we absolutely welcome your feedback on all of these points – and call us out when we fall flat! If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions on how we can improve the game from a clarity standpoint, be sure to leave them in the comments.
Source: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/lol-design-values-depth-clarity