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Mooninites wrote:
im still waiting for the global warming community and al gore to prove that global warming is man-made
normally how science works is you provide data that proves something, I anticipate i'll be waiting well into the future
i take that you simply ignore what is said to you because you were thought something different and don't bother to use your head.
the human contribution of CO2 is represented by a steep increase of concentration in the atmosphere, also by an equally steep increase of mean yearly tempertures.
the keyword is steep. it is because no cycle justifies that increase. there was no giant meteor or eruption in the past 200 years, whose dust wouldn't have settled by now, to cause such thing.
you have worldwide every-year statistics of emissions, they show fuel-fossil consumption is still increasing (mainly due to China's growth and lack of environmental policies). If you actually bother to see the videos in this topic, you'll have to understand that there is human influence in this matter. however, this has started in early XX century.
all this has been demonstrated 40 years ago and people simply deny because it is very easy to not care or simply not thinking about it, as with many other things. there is plenty of data, (please educate yourself) and do a simple "this leads to that" thinking process.
instead of curling yourself on what you have been told, please read, investigate and figure it out for yourself because this isn't really subject to opinion.
(i hope i don't have to explain spectral behavior of matter, otherwise i'd advise you to go back to school)
among everything you said, you still failed to prove that it was a man made problem.
During the 70's and 90's we had cooling periods and people were actually afraid of 'global cooling'. These were periods of high economic production and need I say that there were green house emissions? I don't want you to **** your pants at this next statement: but cars were not 'green' back then. Shocking I know, in fact the Co2 emissions haven't increased that dramatically and there is no 'steep increase' as you say, in fact, it's quite a moderate increase.
Meteors don't increase global temperatures, neither does volcanic activity, in fact the largest volcanic eruption ever, Krakatoa, resulted in a global cooling period. Krakatoa released more greenhouse gases than humans have emitted since 1850. Maybe if you actually were educated on this matter, or did any research, you'd realize that most volcanic activity results in global cooling, quite the opposite of what you claim.
I'm really curious as to what you're talking about, because 40 years ago people were afraid of global cooling, not global warming. So you're just factually wrong
As I've said over and over, I'm still waiting for the science. To prove that the earth is warming isn't enough. The earth has had both cooling and warming periods. You wrote an extensive post, that basically said nothing, proved nothing, and on top of that you got a number of things wrong; and not like a matter of opinion, you just said a number of blatantly wrong things.
on a side note: I love how you link wikipedia and tell me to educate myself. I about fell off my chair laughing
During the 70's and 90's we had cooling periods and people were actually afraid of 'global cooling'. These were periods of high economic production and need I say that there were green house emissions? I don't want you to **** your pants at this next statement: but cars were not 'green' back then. Shocking I know, in fact the Co2 emissions haven't increased that dramatically and there is no 'steep increase' as you say, in fact, it's quite a moderate increase.
Meteors don't increase global temperatures, neither does volcanic activity, in fact the largest volcanic eruption ever, Krakatoa, resulted in a global cooling period. Krakatoa released more greenhouse gases than humans have emitted since 1850. Maybe if you actually were educated on this matter, or did any research, you'd realize that most volcanic activity results in global cooling, quite the opposite of what you claim.
I'm really curious as to what you're talking about, because 40 years ago people were afraid of global cooling, not global warming. So you're just factually wrong
As I've said over and over, I'm still waiting for the science. To prove that the earth is warming isn't enough. The earth has had both cooling and warming periods. You wrote an extensive post, that basically said nothing, proved nothing, and on top of that you got a number of things wrong; and not like a matter of opinion, you just said a number of blatantly wrong things.
on a side note: I love how you link wikipedia and tell me to educate myself. I about fell off my chair laughing
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Mooninites wrote:
among everything you said, you still failed to prove that it was a man made problem.
During the 70's and 90's we had cooling periods and people were actually afraid of 'global cooling'. These were periods of high economic production and need I say that there were green house emissions? I don't want you to **** your pants at this next statement: but cars were not 'green' back then. Shocking I know, in fact the Co2 emissions haven't increased that dramatically and there is no 'steep increase' as you say, in fact, it's quite a moderate increase.
Meteors don't increase global temperatures, neither does volcanic activity, in fact the largest volcanic eruption ever, Krakatoa, resulted in a global cooling period. Krakatoa released more greenhouse gases than humans have emitted since 1850. Maybe if you actually were educated on this matter, or did any research, you'd realize that most volcanic activity results in global cooling, quite the opposite of what you claim.
I'm really curious as to what you're talking about, because 40 years ago people were afraid of global cooling, not global warming. So you're just factually wrong
As I've said over and over, I'm still waiting for the science. To prove that the earth is warming isn't enough. The earth has had both cooling and warming periods. You wrote an extensive post, that basically said nothing, proved nothing, and on top of that you got a number of things wrong; and not like a matter of opinion, you just said a number of blatantly wrong things.
on a side note: I love how you link wikipedia and tell me to educate myself. I about fell off my chair laughing
+rep. All very true, and I specifically avoid the word 'agreed' here because Moon listed all facts instead of opinions or wikipedia pages. Seriously, read a book pheyniex!
The point is that a lot of people want to believe that Global warming or cooling is man-made because then we can fix it. Fear does a lot when it comes to these kind of subjects.
I myself am following the study "Environmental sciences for sustainable energy sources and technology", and this topic comes by a lot.
I can assure you Mooninities, there have been measurements made of how much CO2 we emit as humans each year, and how much CO2 rises in total each year. The difference between the CO2 rising and the amount humanity emitted was fairly minimal, I can assure you.
It is true that Earth has phases that it is getting warmer, and that Earth is getting colder. We humans, however, cannot deal easily with extreme temperatures, so we try to prevent that in order to survive.
Though that will be hard, since not a lot of people are convinced by the danger of global warming and in order to "cure" global warming right now, they must sacrifice their individual properties (such as cars and electronical devices). People are not willing to change their lifestyle of something that is, what they think, is not even certain. This is completely understandable, since I myself am unwilling to sacrifice my electronical devices for it aswell.
So some day there will be some solution that will help so much against the CO2 emissions without having individuals to change their livestyles, but we have to wait for that :D
So far the best solution I can think of, is human extermination >:)
I can assure you Mooninities, there have been measurements made of how much CO2 we emit as humans each year, and how much CO2 rises in total each year. The difference between the CO2 rising and the amount humanity emitted was fairly minimal, I can assure you.
It is true that Earth has phases that it is getting warmer, and that Earth is getting colder. We humans, however, cannot deal easily with extreme temperatures, so we try to prevent that in order to survive.
Though that will be hard, since not a lot of people are convinced by the danger of global warming and in order to "cure" global warming right now, they must sacrifice their individual properties (such as cars and electronical devices). People are not willing to change their lifestyle of something that is, what they think, is not even certain. This is completely understandable, since I myself am unwilling to sacrifice my electronical devices for it aswell.
So some day there will be some solution that will help so much against the CO2 emissions without having individuals to change their livestyles, but we have to wait for that :D
So far the best solution I can think of, is human extermination >:)
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Meiyjhe wrote:
I myself am following the study "Environmental sciences for sustainable energy sources and technology", and this topic comes by a lot.
I can assure you Mooninities, there have been measurements made of how much CO2 we emit as humans each year, and how much CO2 rises in total each year. The difference between the CO2 rising and the amount humanity emitted was fairly minimal, I can assure you.
He never said that isn't true, he just said that there is no evidence available that proves that Global warming itself is a result of that.
GrandmasterD wrote:
+rep. All very true, and I specifically avoid the word 'agreed' here because Moon listed all facts instead of opinions or wikipedia pages. Seriously, read a book pheyniex!
seriously, join an argument to be constructive and stop being a child taking all the opportunities he can to wear me down.
childish, immature and nearingly naive.
you don't read wikipedia to simply absorb. i take it you belive everything that is said to you without a drop of thought. ofc, you will find something to fuss about, regardless of importance. what matters is the winning side, is it not?
GrandmasterD wrote:
The point is that a lot of people want to believe that Global warming or cooling is man-made because then we can fix it. Fear does a lot when it comes to these kind of subjects.
mankind can do a lot. i have my share of misanthropy but i don't underestimate mankind.
fear does a lot to people that don't know. i am taking my time here because i'm actually a rather patient person and with full concience of himself.
it is up to each one to learn, about themselves and their surroundings, to be conscious and act consciously. you don't need fear if you have knowledge.
Mooninites wrote:
among everything you said, you still failed to prove that it was a man made problem.
chemical:
coal/petroleum derivates/wood combustion produces co2. is this a good start?
example methane gas: CH4. for each molecule of methane you burn, you'll get a molecule of Co2
propane: C3H4 gives 3 molecules of co2
ethanol: C2H5O gives 2
Spectral:
Sunlight has a wavelenght that makes co2 transparent (sunlight passes through co2)
However, co2 blocks (reflects, is non-transparent) reflected light from the earth's surface, therefore trapping it within the atmosphere.
Socio-economical:
before the industrial revolution (and even a while after) there was no more than 1x10^9 people in the world. the main source of heat (disregarding the sun) was wood.
population since then has risen near exponentially, and that population is more and more energy intensive (first was transport, then lighting (even though there was already, i other forms), then appliances, comunications, etc). the usage of energy is a consequence of our way of life. it brings us fresh food from around the world, steel and alluminium compounds, phones, cars, whatever you can buy that makes the XXI century what we know.
where do we obtain the energy for such things? well, usually at a powerplant, where stuff is burned. eventually the products of the combustion will go to the atmosphere.
so, i hope it is clear, that, not only has mankind been emmiting co2 for a long time, it has starting doing it more intensely since the industrial revolution and evermore each year. not the importance of doing or not, but the importance of how much and what is it's variation (see "derivative", in mathematics).
Mooninites wrote:
During the 70's and 90's we had cooling periods and people were actually afraid of 'global cooling'. These were periods of high economic production and need I say that there were green house emissions? I don't want you to **** your pants at this next statement: but cars were not 'green' back then. Shocking I know, in fact the Co2 emissions haven't increased that dramatically and there is no 'steep increase' as you say, in fact, it's quite a moderate increase.
you bring up an argument of 40 yearspan when I proposed you (and the videos as well) one with 20k years minimum with very soft changes (meaning 2ºC Veriation in mean temperature over that period) while we've had that variation in the last century. regardless, you mention it ignoring or ommiting that it was a minimum in the solar radiation, and , as you can see in the videos, we were/are near that minimum.
Mooninites wrote:
Meteors don't increase global temperatures, neither does volcanic activity, in fact the largest volcanic eruption ever, Krakatoa, resulted in a global cooling period. Krakatoa released more greenhouse gases than humans have emitted since 1850. Maybe if you actually were educated on this matter, or did any research, you'd realize that most volcanic activity results in global cooling, quite the opposite of what you claim.
depends on the contend of the ash, but fair point. regardless, the usual ash is too heavy to be in the atmosphere a very long time (geological time, not that 40 year nonsense you mentioned.) therefore my point of no comulative influence stands.
Mooninites wrote:
I'm really curious as to what you're talking about, because 40 years ago people were afraid of global cooling, not global warming. So you're just factually wrong
people are always interested in the next or previous 5minutes. It's rare to find someone able to see further. again, solar minimum? or near it? maybe? maybe your argument is actually favoring mine? well, maybe it doesn't prove anything, but is suggestive, is it not? let's not talk about proof. isn't meiyhje's argument (measurements of consump7ions and concentration suggestive enough? statistics can't convince you, then why are you using a computer? it's technology is based on quantum physics, can only work due to statistical studies. that's what is done in this kind of studies and the results are too compeling for you to say it is a coincidence.
Mooninites wrote:
As I've said over and over, I'm still waiting for the science. To prove that the earth is warming isn't enough. The earth has had both cooling and warming periods. You wrote an extensive post, that basically said nothing, proved nothing, and on top of that you got a number of things wrong; and not like a matter of opinion, you just said a number of blatantly wrong things.
science has been knocking on your door and you have been dismissing it. measurements were made, they are made every year, that i can't do. fuel consumption is registered by various organizations, as well as temperature. it's science but it's not uber-complicated math.
if you classify the majority of my arguments as simply wrong, either you don't know better, or i'm not making myself clear. the problem is not the fact that it is simply getting warmer, it is also at what rate. ofc, you can make yourself a politician and take the arguments as you like and manipulate them, but then you'll again be simply stubborn.
SkidmarkD wrote:
you sure the earth is getting warmer?
Cause we've had the coldest may since 1962. :D
https://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/how-much-has-global-temperature-risen-last-100-years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Temperature_Anomaly_1880-2012.svg
http://www.universetoday.com/99491/global-temperatures-continue-to-rise/
The average raising global temperature per year is surely happening.
The fact that most CO2 emissions is done by men is also surely happening.
CO2 increases temperature due to the "greenhouse" effect.
Conclusion:
Well, small guess here, but I think the global warming and the CO2 emissions have a connection here :P
PS: I know you were just trying to show your opinion on critics and that proof is relevant, not the stance on global warming. But I just thought this would give some kind of data that may help find the truth :D
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