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Improve my PC thread!

Creator: IPodPulse May 19, 2015 9:31pm
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Vynertje wrote:
(difference in speed between the 4690 is about nullified)
It's not, but it's definitely small.
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High quality H97 motherboards have all the same features as Z97 boards. In fact, some even boost better audio chips, networking etc than the low to mid-end Z97 boards.
Really? Got some source on that? Because I'd like to read a little about it.
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That 4.2GHz will probably mean very little in games, AT MAXIMUM ~5 fps unless your CPU really bottlenecked your system (which an i5 won't).
I know. Why are you stating that like I wouldn't agree or know about it?
I've never claimed anything different. I stated that it will last a few years longer. I always play the long game when I purchase hardware. If I can keep my stuff around and relevant for a couple of years extra for a tiny cost then I do so.
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Don't go Z97/unlocked CPU just for slight the possibility that you may want to overclock it, it's usually completely unnecessary.
Agreed. Only do it if you WILL overclock it. That said, overclocking is really easy.
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Searz wrote:

Really? Got some source on that? Because I'd like to read a little about it.


Not really a source, but just look at the specifications/features of a high end H97 board and those of a low end (especially sub-100$) Z97 board. E.g. the motherboard I linked has a high quality sound chip with headphone amp and high quality networking components that you can also find on their Z97 counterparts. If you then look at some slightly more expensive Z97 chipset boards you'll see that they have the exact same audio chip, networking features and general high build quality. The only difference usually ends up being the chipset.

It could also be argued that some users do not even need those features (e.g. USB headphones?), which means you can even step down to something like a B85 which still has good build quality, just less features.

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I know. Why are you stating that like I wouldn't agree or know about it?
I've never claimed anything different. I stated that it will last a few years longer. I always play the long game when I purchase hardware. If I can keep my stuff around and relevant for a couple of years extra for a tiny cost then I do so.


I'm just saying it's usually not worth it if you look at it from a pure price-to-performance standpoint. I've overclocked my i5 2500k just because I could but I don't think it'll make me suddenly squeeze more years of use out of it.

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Agreed. Only do it if you WILL overclock it. That said, overclocking is really easy.


I agree, although voltage may complicate stuff a little bit if you decide to go a little bit more hardcore. It does mean I'd never recommend someone a Z97 chipset on their first build though.
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Now, this is a dream build with SLI option if you have about $1,900 to invest into it. You can buy either the SSD, or the HDD first but the buy order doesn't really matter. *Liquid Cooling Optional

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor
Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
HDD: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
SSD: Intel 730 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card
Power Supply: Corsair 1200W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

Now you're probably asking, "hey cool dude. Why bother with this kind of thing even though you yourself can't afford it?" To which I reply, "a man can dream, right?" Also, you can do away with the 980 and optional SLI for a Titan X and comparable motherboard, or you can keep the SLI feature and for some unknown reason SLI two Titan X's and compatible motherboard, because bay lyfe.
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For Canadians, I highly recommend purchasing hardware through NCIX/DirectCanada (same company and warehouses).
Shipping is fast, prices are usually great, there are a ton of constant sales, one of if not the best selection in Canada, etc. They have a US division but I've never used it so I can't say anything about it.

I would also recommend purchasing the hardware separately and assembling/building the PC yourself as IMO it is a fun experience and can help you in the long run as it will familiarize you with your system. Companies that let you select parts and build it and ship it to you like CyberPowerPC or IBuyPower are usable but as far as I know it generally costs a bit more than just doing it yourself (which is normal). Also I know quite a bit of people who have had bad experiences with them (just ask h4xdefender).

To continue Vyn and Searz' discussion about whether or not it is worth it to buy an unlocked processor and z97, I'd say that the (imo) slight price difference is generally worth it unless you are absolutely sure that you are not going to overclock.

The Fractal Design R4/R5 is a really good case and I'd recommend it to pretty much anyone. I personally don't like the Phanteks Enthoo but I've never owned one or know anybody that owns one so I can't talk too much **** about it. Right now I use a Corsair Obsidian 750D but it's overkill for most and I only purchased it because I found a great deal on NCIX (110 CAD).

Not to bring up the AMD vs Intel/Nvidia argument again but I'd just like to add that I've owned products from all three companies and they all ran like champs. My GPU is a Sapphire Radeon 7950 and my processor is a i5 4670k oc'd to 4.2ghz.

Not much to say about RAM other than to go with recognized brands (as for everything) and that 8+gb is pretty much necessary atm.

Would highly recommend purchasing an SSD in addition to an HDD IMO the SSD speed is a great upgrade in quality of life even if it won't increase your FPS. Samsung 850 evo is really nice but there are other options such as Crucial etc. As for HDD I'd take either a Western Digital Caviar Blue or a Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm.

Not much to say about motherboards other than that if you're getting an unlocked Intel to get a z97 and to go with recognized brands/models (such as Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, etc). Currently running a z87 Sabertooth and it is really sexy and great but I honestly cannot recommend purchasing such an expensive motherboard unless it is necessary or you have money to blow out the window. I only have a Sabertooth because I received it as a gift, I would not have bought it myself as I can't justify spending around 275 CAD on a motherboard considering the price of the rest of my build even though it's a superb product.

For PSU's just get the one you can find at the lowest price that is 80+ bronze/silver/gold/platinum certified, has enough or a little more power than your system (unless you're planning to dual GPU later, in which case get higher) and that has a lot of good ratings on sites like PCPartPicker and Newegg. EDIT : Modular is really nice but not necessary. Semi-Modular is pretty much the exact same thing as well.

I won't get to GPU's right now.

For peripherals, IMO a good, new screen is definitely worth buying if you have the money to spend on a new one. Mouse/Keyboard most are usable, if you have money to spend I highly recommend the Mionix Naos 8200 mouse (most comfortable mouse on the planet) and a good mechanical keyboard.

If anyone has questions about mechanical keyboards I like to think I know a lot about them so just ask =P


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Forgot to post my full system specs


Case : Corsair Obsidian 750D
PSU : Antec HCG 750W
CPU Cooler : 212 EVO
CPU : 4670k
Motherboard : z87 Sabertooth
GPU : Sapphire Radeon 7950
RAM : 8GB Crucial Ballistix Elite
HDD : Seagate Barracuda 1tb 7200 RPM
SSD : Samsung 840 EVO

Screen : I actually can't find it lol, it was a meh 200$ Samsung screen, I also own two Dell Ultrasharps (one old one that was phenomenal and a newer one that my family "borrowed" from me =P)
Speakers : Bose Companion 20
Headset : Speaker master race (On a more serious note I'm looking to buy an AudioTechnica ATH50)
Microphone : Generic desktop microphone, looking to buy a snowball

Mouse : Mionix Naos 8200
Keyboard : Topre RealForce 87uw (my baby)
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The goal of this thread isn't to just write down your OP killer rig, it's to actually help out people.

Besides, if you plan to go balls to the walls anyway, why not go X99 and custom loop watercooling?
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To be fair, you AMD guys ruined my thread. :P

"Why not" is a good question. Because, I didn't think about it at the time and just pieced this together in about 20 minutes.
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To be fair, you AMD guys ruined my thread. :P

"Why not" is a good question. Because, I didn't think about it at the time and just pieced this together in about 20 minutes.


Your thread asked for 500$ builds. I gave you a 500$ build with valid arguments. If you call that ruining you should become a politician - they don't like valid arguments either.

Also, there's no hurt in putting some effort into improving the quality of your posts. It doesn't hurt you and people may actually stop hating you. Now please continue on-topic again.
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Popping in as both a reminder to not start **** with each other, and also because I need help. ._.

So, I'm doing a lot of 3D modeling and I'm wondering what would be good parts to got for stuff like that.

Being specific, I'm using Maya 2015/16, and I'd be using Photoshop CC6 I think? Whatever is most recent.

For all intents and purposes, I don't have a budget, but the cheaper the better, obviously. :s

And, I'm not looking for a completely new rig, just upgrades to my old one.


Thank you to jhoijhoi for the sig, and all the dividers in the guide.

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Post your old specs then =P
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Vynertje wrote:
Not really a source, but just look at the specifications/features of a high end H97 board and those of a low end (especially sub-100$) Z97 board. E.g. the motherboard I linked has a high quality sound chip with headphone amp and high quality networking components that you can also find on their Z97 counterparts. If you then look at some slightly more expensive Z97 chipset boards you'll see that they have the exact same audio chip, networking features and general high build quality. The only difference usually ends up being the chipset.

It could also be argued that some users do not even need those features (e.g. USB headphones?), which means you can even step down to something like a B85 which still has good build quality, just less features.

Personal observation then. Okay.
I can't really argue much against your observation since I haven't been looking much at motherboards lately, but chipsets themselves often bring features, do they not?
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I'm just saying it's usually not worth it if you look at it from a pure price-to-performance standpoint. I've overclocked my i5 2500k just because I could but I don't think it'll make me suddenly squeeze more years of use out of it.

If you can gain 20% more performance then one would reasonably expect it to hold up longer in performance-related tasks, no?
It's hard to put up an exact number, but 20% more performance should warrant at least 1 or 2 more years, considering the rough performance increase of 10-20% for each new generation of CPUs (which tends to be a yearly/bi-yearly thing).
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