Well, I just completed Bioshock Infinite

[quote=MrCuddowls]Hmm, your's makes a lot more sense. Whatever Searz, i guess you understood it more because you are more experienced with this stuff. I got most of it right.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Okay, here goes. My main gripes with the game are as follows: [b]1. The weapon carry limit and ammo.[/b] Having just 2 weapons not only reduces your flexibility in combat and severely limits your ability to adapt to different combat situations, at higher difficulties enemies get ridiculously bullet-spungy and take tons of ammo to kill. That's a MAJOR problem if you only can carry 2 weapons at one time. The best example of this is probably the final ghost fight. I died several times because I ran around looking for weapons with ammo in; I literally had no fucking ammo left to shoot them with. Some weapons also have ridiculously low ammo reserves, making the ammo problem even more prominent. [b]2. The checkpoint system.[/b] I really don't think I need to explain this one. Just give us a fucking save system. And penalizing the player for dying is really stupid. [b]3. The story "dump" at the end.[/b] I really dislike how the tried to keep as much as possible about the story and the ending under wraps until the last 20minutes of the game. It felt really artificial and the more you look at it the more you see all the instances where the story makes excuses for that. Some better foreshadowing and more natural progression would have helped immensely. [spoiler]The "merge" of memories is a perfect example of an excuse to mask parts of the ending. Why would memories merge and distort when there can exist infinite instances of the same person in one place? That would make more sense if there can't be several instances, i.e: body merging. Sure, it could probably be explained with an intricate web of excuses if one were to suspend their disbelief, but it feels like a really artificial way of hiding important plot elements from the player, so that they can be more surprised at the ending(I'd be more willing to suspend my disbelief if they didn't bork up the ending).[/spoiler] [b]4. The plot holes.[/b] I'm sure most people won't even notice these problems and people who love the game will come flying valiantly to its defense, ignoring any and all flaws presented. [spoiler]They fucked up the ending. First off I'll just be mentioning that the "multiverse" concept of the story is almost exactly like the time travel concept in the anime Stein's;Gate(another story that fucked up the ending), the only differences being that there's no problem with the same person seeing them self and memories somehow merge when you switch worlds. Yes, this is essentially a story about time travel. I'm making the assumption that people [b][i]travel[/i][/b] through tears to "alternate" realities, because that's the least fragmented approach to it and thus I conclude that it's the most logical, with the info I know. The biggest thing about the ending I think would be that instead of drowning the Booker that has yet to make a choice in baptism the ~10 instances of Liz just drown the Booker that has already made a choice. That makes zero sense. A more proper ending be Liz taking Booker back to show him that he is in fact Comstock and that he needs to kill an earlier instance of himself (and in the process killing himself), the instance before he makes the decision; which essentially would stop any Comstock that could spring from this "world". And killing one Booker doesn't make all the Lizzes disappear, only one of them - the one from his world - should be disappearing. Or potentially the entire world would disappear if one would go with the theory that entire worlds eliminate themselves when a paradox occurs(in which case there should only be one Liz there, because the others would otherwise presumably disappear too). In essence, the ending is a great idea, but it was poorly executed. The "real" ending after the credits is really great though. Also, when you go through a tear people you've previously killed will be alive (obviously, since you're now in a different "world"), but they somehow remember the memories from when they were dead(and nosebleed when they do) even if THEY never went through the tear.[/spoiler] [b]5. The "Watchers".[/b] The mechanics surrounding them were really weird and it could have been a lot better if they actually partook in battle and you had the ability to kill them to stop all the crazy people from attacking you. I mean, they literally just disappear into thin air when they spot you or you attack them. [b]6. Imbalanced gear.[/b] I liked the idea of gear, but after playing through the game at a higher difficulty it's blatantly obvious how imbalanced it is. Too much of the gear is very situational. Like 50% of all gear is related to the Skylines, and seeing as those are only present in like a third of the fights, that's kind of useless most of the time. Then there's loads of gear which depend entirely on chance; 50% chance to stun enemies who hit you, 70% chance to burn enemies when you melee them, 30% chance to release a toxic fart when you drink a soda and so on.. And then one could compare 2 of the hats. One gives all your weapons 75% bigger magazines while the other allows you to go faster or slower on a skyline. I'll let you make a guess as to which of them is better than the other.. All that being said, I still thoroughly enjoyed the game; there were some really, really amazing moments that I absolutely loved. If I were to put a score on it it would [i]probably[/i] be 8/10.[/quote]

[quote=MrCuddowls]The watchers were easy as fuck to walk by[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=MrCuddowls] Hmm, your's makes a lot more sense. Whatever Searz, i guess you understood it more because you are more experienced with this stuff. I got most of it right.[/quote] Yea, you didn't get much wrong. I took like an hour laying out all the events and the timeline in my head after the game ended.[spoiler]I remember getting stuck on the reason for Comstock to go back and buy Liz for a few minutes before remembering that he was dying :)[/spoiler] [quote=MrCuddowls] The watchers were easy as fuck to walk by[/quote] Yea, they were. They were really poorly done in general in terms of actual game mechanics.[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=MrCuddowls] The watchers were easy as fuck to walk by [/quote] Spoken like a true virgin. A friend of mine also complained about the clunkiness of the combat, which isn't improved from earlier Bioshock games, and the relative lack of weapon variety, which is actually a step [i]backwards[/i] from earlier Bioshock games. Also, he disliked the higher difficulties, because he just found the enemies didn't really get harder, because he could basically solve combat in such a way that nothing was a real threat, they just took more resources to take down. "Bullet sponge-y" is the term TotalBiscuit uses to describe the same thing. He was also saddened by the ending, because he found the whole time-travel-multiple-worlds element of the story and setting the least compelling. He would rather that the story focused more on its historical throwbacks to hilarious American exceptionalism rather than get stuck talking about time travel. The game drops you in a wonderful setting, which is clearly about to fall apart, and then lets you watching it actually fall apart. But then tells you, "Oh, wait, no, [i]none of that ever actually happened[/i]."[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=lifebaka] A friend of mine also complained about the clunkiness of the combat, which isn't improved from earlier Bioshock games, and the relative lack of weapon variety, which is actually a step [i]backwards[/i] from earlier Bioshock games. Also, he disliked the higher difficulties, because he just found the enemies didn't really get harder, because he could basically solve combat in such a way that nothing was a real threat, they just took more resources to take down. "Bullet sponge-y" is the term TotalBiscuit uses to describe the same thing.[/quote] Actually, that does make it harder, but in a very artificial way. The way it increases difficulty isn't very fun. This coming from a guy who beat the final fight on hard without a single retry or reading any kind of tips online. [quote]He was also saddened by the ending, because he found the whole time-travel-multiple-worlds element of the story and setting the least compelling. He would rather that the story focused more on its historical throwbacks to hilarious American exceptionalism rather than get stuck talking about time travel. The game drops you in a wonderful setting, which is clearly about to fall apart, and then lets you watching it actually fall apart. But then tells you, "Oh, wait, no, [i]none of that ever actually happened[/i]."[/quote] Yes, exactly! I'm fine with either, but seeing how most time travel stories are riddled with plot holes (this one included) I would actually have loved it if they just went with the whole flying-crumbling-white-supremacist-society thing.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi]My brother hated Bioshock infinite and dumped his entire collector's edition on me. I'm a little shocked, given how much he enjoyed the first two.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Story-wise it's like they went from "uber great" to "really nice" to "You call that BS? Really?" Going from BS1 to BS2 and Infinite. It was more shocking to find out that [spoiler]Atlas was Fountaine[/spoiler] than the whole BS: Infinite storyline[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Darcurse] Story-wise it's like they went from "uber great" to "really nice" to "You call that BS? Really?" Going from BS1 to BS2 and Infinite.[/quote] I'd say it's more Amazing->Good->Good. The story is by no means bad, they just took a few wrong steps here and there.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]"A few", huh? I admit that Infinite got some nice situations here and there, but that's that. The whole ending is a mess. The story-line is cluttered with thrashy "Well, that was [sarcasm] SOOOOOOOOOO unexpected...[/sarcasm]" or "WTF, just happened? How did they jump from this to that???" moments. Only parts which counter this are Liz and the Lutece multiverse doubles. Everytime I entered a tear in the game I was like: "Wow, they just used this to push the story" [spoiler] For example the 1. Tear: Going in to save the life of the chinese weaponsmith, coming out to meet a native american weaponsmith who got his own Comstock shrine but still produces weapons for the resistance and is charged with exactly that by the police, just to be released???? 2. Tear: Going in to "just so" have the heavy gun manufacturing machinery teleported back to the weaponsmith??? It was like that with every goddamn tear... And OFC entering a tear only changed EXACTLY what the devs needed to change, but left everything else untoched... [/spoiler][/quote]