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3 magic Pen Marks
6 Ability Power Marks

9 Mana/5 Seals

9 Cooldown Reduction Glyphs

3 Spell Vamp Quints

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http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=1-0-4-0-0-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree2=0-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=1-0-3-0-1-3-0-0-3-1-0-4-1-0-0-0&v=2

Start with an Amplifying tome and Mana Potion.

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=40-107-98-85-115-114



I feel like this build is aggressive and easy to sustain. I'd like to get some input before I go and buy these expensive runes.
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Mana/5 per level is better.

CDR Glyphs are kinda not worth it when you're giving up so much MPen in your Marks.
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Lugignaf wrote:

Mana/5 per level is better.

CDR Glyphs are kinda not worth it when you're giving up so much MPen in your Marks.


Ahri stops having mana problems very early. I figured if I wanted to harass early and harass a lot, the combo of early mana regen and CD reduction would be great.

Should I switch some more MPens in? I don't know the numbers for how much MR most champs have at the beginning in mid.
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nonononoonon

But seriously everything is wrong. :/
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That's, um, not very good or optimal.

9x Greater Mark of Magic Penetration, 9x greater seal of vitality (personal preference, seals don't make too much of a difference mid lane), 9x Greater Glyph of Magic Resist (substitute Greater Glyph of Scaling Ability Power if you want more damage), 3x Greater Quintessence of Ability Power.

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Boots of Speed + 3 Health Potions ... Amplifying Tome + 1 Mana Potion is really bad. You have no mobility to escape ganks or skill shots, and no sustain. And no, you're passive is not sustain.

Replace Rylai's Crystal Scepter with Deathfire Grasp. Or Will of the Ancients.

Here's the breakdown:

You need more MPen to get through magic resist. AP Marks are terrible, never get them. Mana regen seals are unecessary, therefore, don't get them. Spellvamp quints are just bad, really bad idea. AP/lvl are gonna give you more damage than CDR, and flat MR will protect you better mid lane.

You're masteries are ... well, to try not to be harsh, really bad. You don't dedicate yourself to any one tree, don't go into offense to get the benefits and strength you need as a mid laner, and, quite honestly, aren't getting much out of the utility tree compared to what you would get out of the offense tree.

Starting items aren't great. You'll get out harassed by someone, heck, anyone who started Boots of Speed + 3 Health Potions. Any damage they do to you is much more permanent than damage you do to them, plus they can dodge your skill shots. At the very least, start with a Health Potion. Or just switch over to Boots of Speed + 3 Health Potions.

If you wanna harass early and a lot, you are just gonna push your lane and it won't matter how much mana regen you have. Being pushed to the turret will just get you ganked and killed, no matter how much you try to harass. This will lead to low CS scores, which leads to less gold, which leads to dying more, which tends to lead towards losing. Plus, Ahri's skills are already on a low enough cooldown. No need to lower that early game and run out of mana.

Most mid laners start out with 30 magic resist :3

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That's, um, not very good or optimal.

9x Greater Mark of Magic Penetration, 9x greater seal of vitality (personal preference, seals don't make too much of a difference mid lane), 9x Greater Glyph of Magic Resist (substitute Greater Glyph of Scaling Ability Power if you want more damage), 3x Greater Quintessence of Ability Power.

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Boots of Speed + 3 Health Potions ... Amplifying Tome + 1 Mana Potion is really bad. You have no mobility to escape ganks or skill shots, and no sustain. And no, you're passive is not sustain.

Replace Rylai's Crystal Scepter with Deathfire Grasp. Or Will of the Ancients.

Here's the breakdown:

You need more MPen to get through magic resist. AP Marks are terrible, never get them. Mana regen seals are unecessary, therefore, don't get them. Spellvamp quints are just bad, really bad idea. AP/lvl are gonna give you more damage than CDR, and flat MR will protect you better mid lane.

You're masteries are ... well, to try not to be harsh, really bad. You don't dedicate yourself to any one tree, don't go into offense to get the benefits and strength you need as a mid laner, and, quite honestly, aren't getting much out of the utility tree compared to what you would get out of the offense tree.

Starting items aren't great. You'll get out harassed by someone, heck, anyone who started Boots of Speed + 3 Health Potions. Any damage they do to you is much more permanent than damage you do to them, plus they can dodge your skill shots. At the very least, start with a Health Potion. Or just switch over to Boots of Speed + 3 Health Potions.

If you wanna harass early and a lot, you are just gonna push your lane and it won't matter how much mana regen you have. Being pushed to the turret will just get you ganked and killed, no matter how much you try to harass. This will lead to low CS scores, which leads to less gold, which leads to dying more, which tends to lead towards losing. Plus, Ahri's skills are already on a low enough cooldown. No need to lower that early game and run out of mana.

Most mid laners start out with 30 magic resist :3

Without the mana seals, I run out of mana really quic- so 3.7 mana/5 means 44.4 mana/min? 15% of my mana/min at level 1, and it only decreases. wtf.

I've been getting boots and 3 pots for awhile now, but I never need to use the pots (Only play non-ranked). I started getting amp tome and 1 health pot for more damage and a little safety just in case, but then I never needed the 1 pot. I guess boots+pots is just safer play, and i should be practicing it.

Should I stay away from the scepter because Ahri shouldn't be built tanky anymore? Should I maybe get kages pick before revolver if I start with a tome?

Are health/lvl seals better than armors?

I tried to get into the utility tree for spell vamp and exp boost for when I want to push my lane and roam or further dominate my lane. I guess going mostly damage is the way to go. Sigh, that's boring.

Okay so, 8.5 magic pen from glyphs. I wonder if it comes down to percentages, or you just subtract Mpen from Resists. Time to do some searching.

I used to see lots of people with pure AP glyphs. Is that no good now?
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1) You shouldn't even be spamming your spells.
2) Boots + 3x health pots is the only way to go. Run amp tomb and you get harassed and you get killed pre-6 (assuming Flash is on CD).
3) Seals are mostly personal preference. Although, I don't see why you are running armor seals when you are against an AP champion. mp5/lvl or health/lvl is more optimal.
4) Mpen marks ONLY. Only option for the AP mid, since you often find enemies running mresist glyphs. And just a heads up, flat ap glyphs get outscaled pretty quickly by ap/lvl.
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13rock wrote:

I used to see lots of people with pure AP glyphs. Is that no good now?

They've almost always been sub-optimal.

Let's assume you have 4 1:1 AP ratios. That's 1 for each skill and unrealistic. With 9 AP per level glyphs, you're getting a little less than 30 damage on a full rotation of QWER. That's at level 18 too.

MR glyphs however, reduce their damage by ~1% for every one you have. Assume you are being hit by a spell that does 100 damage, before MR. Your base 30 MR is reducing it by 24 damage to a total of 76 damage. The 12 extra MR is going to reduce that further by about 6. If you choose to get the 3 MR from the defense tree as well, that's even more damage off off of the spell.

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Defensive stats are usually better than the terrible, terrible AP per level glyphs.
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1) You shouldn't even be spamming your spells.
2) Boots + 3x health pots is the only way to go. Run amp tomb and you get harassed and you get killed pre-6 (assuming Flash is on CD).
3) Seals are mostly personal preference. Although, I don't see why you are running armor seals when you are against an AP champion. mp5/lvl or health/lvl is more optimal.
4) Mpen marks ONLY. Only option for the AP mid, since you often find enemies running mresist glyphs. And just a heads up, flat ap glyphs get outscaled pretty quickly by ap/lvl.


I figured armor seals would help with auto attacks. I guess Health seals will help more all around though. I'll go ahead and grab some of those, thanks.
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Rylai's Crystal Scepter is still really good, but I'd say that Deathfire Grasp is practically core. The scepter just seemed the optimal thing to replace it with, but you can honestly mess around with it and try different combinations.

Armor seals are fine, to be perfectly honest. If you are gonna harass with auto attacks (Ahri has a great auto attack animation, really good for harassing) then it will reduce minion damage and enemy auto attacks. HP/lvl scale better late game, in theory anyways, because they give you 180~ health at level 18. Armor seals are better early, so it's up to preference.

Armor Penetration <- that's a good wiki article that talks about the different kinds of armor penetration (works the exact same way with magic penetration) and how they stack and what order they reduce in.

Everybody else explained pretty well :3

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