AS Offtank (would it work?)

[quote=Vort][quote=Khazem] Udyr/Cho'gath are 2 examples of tanky champions on which attack speed works very well. Wit's End + red buff combined with Vorpal Spikes on Cho'gath is really effective and makes you do quite alot of damage while still being able to build tanky as hell. Same thing on Udyr, grab a wit's end, activate phoenix stance, profit. [/quote] Was just about to bring cho up. He's absurdly good with attack speed. Wit's End + Atma's is all the auto attack damage output you'll need on him, for the entirety of most games. In rare situations, you might consider a bloodrazor as a 6th item, but it's often not necessary.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]he used to deal more damage to turrets.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]^^ Best part is, it was used in a pro tourney. He never was in teamfights. He just backdoored FTW.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]hah, no way.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Cauch, you didn't see Hotshotgg playing Cho at IEM? Wit's was his second item all day I believe.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Wit's End is great on most tanky DPS. It's the only item that works good tho.[/quote]

[quote=darkr3x]Well since it seems like the consensus is that the AS based Offtank model isn't quite right for Alistar, but might very well work with [[Jax]],[[Cho'gath]], [[Shen]] or [[Udyr]] (and I'm going to test it on Jax as soon as I can). The question now then is: what of the build right now works for the concept of a drop in, beat, and chase down survivors Offtank? What needs to be added? Is [[Phantom Dancer]] + [[Boots of Mobility]] overkill in terms of MS? Does [[Randuin's Omen]] fit better than [[Sherulya's Reverie]] in assisting the chase down? Does the [[sunfire cape]] even contribute beyond harass? Is [[stark's fervor]] worth the aura? What about [[frozen heart]]? Is [[Trinity Force]] a worthwile pick up? What [[Raddabon's Deathcap]] or [[Rod of Ages]]? I know I need these at core: A gp/5 item so that my carry can get the main farm Visage to boost healing and a small cdr boost boots of some kind (treads or ganks) The missing pieces are: A worthwile armor/magic resist boost A AoE effect that allows me to support team fights Either more CDR or more oomph[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Depends on which champion your talking about. SV is good on some ppl and not so good on others. I wouldn't get it on Jax myself. PD and BoM are bad items for any offtank, for almost any champion in the game actually. Randuin's Omen is an amazing item for an offtank and is tons better then Shureyla on an offtank. SFC is ok if you are going like super offensive tanky or if you already have something like it (like for Udyr and his Phoenix say). Starks is a great item for some junglers but otherwise Wriggles is almost always better, unless you have like 4 AD melee champions. Frozen Heart is a great item on anyone who needs mana or cdr. Triforce is a great item on almost all offtanks since it adds to your damage so much, and is generally all you need. Rabbadon's is usually bad cause of it's cost and only increasing your damage. Rylai's or RoA is usually better, for sure.[/quote]

[quote=Vort][[Phantom Dancer]] is a fantastic followup item for someone who already has a ton of damage. Most offtanks make better use of other items. [[Boots of Mobility]] are fantastic if you're roaming or going for a lot of ganks, but they're pretty sub-par if you're laning. If it's just the speed you're going for, [[Boots of Swiftness]] might be the way to go. Tenacity, however, is very important -- almost necessary on most offtanks, so make sure to cover that in some way, shape, or form. I personally grab both a [[Philosopher's Stone]] and [[Heart of Gold]], most of the time, when I play lane support. Even if I don't end up building one of them into something, the gold you make off of them by the time you want to sell them, more than makes up for the cost. [[Sunfire Cape]] is a great tanky dps item for certain tanky dps champs, most notably, in my opinion, phoenix stance [[Udyr]]. It's not great on all of them, however. I probably wouldn't often build it on a less mobile champion such as [[Cho'Gath]]. And now i'm pretty much repeating Nighthawk.[/quote]

[quote=darkr3x]The feedback is great guys! Just finished up a game and went 5/5/14 with this load out Ruby to start Went back for HoG at 350 Stayed out until I could pick up Treads Next I snagged Zeal for that extra bit of AS and MS Bought Glacial Shroud after I got downed hard in a 1v2 Grabbed the visage once we started pushing their base Bumped up to Frozen and built Emblem of Valor All in all it worked out well, though most of my success was well timed headbutts and a couple tower dives. Which says I'm more so getting better at playing than the build's success. I'll keep at it.^^ Also, I switched up the cdr/lv glyphs for flat cdr glyphs and that really helped with those early skirmishes.[/quote]