Countering Zed's Ultimate as an ADC

[quote=Re4XN]I have started getting a grip on ADCs in general and the most annoying problem I am facing is [[Zed]]. Since QSS no longer removes debuffs, I've been having trouble countering it. The most obvious solution is to have someone peel for you while you keep out of range, but what do you do if he ults you? Lifesteal is a good option, but sometimes there isn't anything around for me to hit and other times it won't suffice to live through the ultimate. Is Sterak's a good counter to this? If not what do you guys do/build against him?[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu]Lifesteal is garbo against Zed tho, he bursts, you sustain with AAs. [[Guardian angel]], supports and team members that use CC, dodge abilities and pray to Jesus[/quote]

[quote=Re4XN][quote=Janitsu]Lifesteal is garbo against Zed tho, he bursts, you sustain with AAs. [[Guardian angel]], supports and team members that use CC, dodge abilities and pray to Jesus[/quote] Yeah, I mean [[Guardian Angel]] is like the only thing that prevents your death... I was hoping for something more "self-reliant" besides my team, so I guess Jesus will have to do. Most of time when I die, so does [[Zed]], so I guess GA is the way to go... What about Steraks? Good/Bad, not worth it?[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu][quote=Re4XN][quote=Janitsu]Lifesteal is garbo against Zed tho, he bursts, you sustain with AAs. [[Guardian angel]], supports and team members that use CC, dodge abilities and pray to Jesus[/quote] Yeah, I mean [[Guardian Angel]] is like the only thing that prevents your death... I was hoping for something more "self-reliant" besides my team, so I guess Jesus will have to do. Most of time when I die, so does [[Zed]], so I guess GA is the way to go... What about Steraks? Good/Bad, not worth it?[/quote] Sterak's is pretty good if you can dodge his skillshots imo[/quote]

[quote=DisturbedFox]u dodge skillshots. If he's too fed and can auto+E to kill you, you buy GA/BT[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]BT helps, as do 6th item GA and Sterak's. Also if you're playing [[tristana]] you can just W backwards as he's getting out of his ult and he has to use W+Flash to catch back up to you, and even then you can just ult him away. I've always been able to get away with offensive builds on Trist vs Zed since she's so hard for him to burst, and if he's not super ahead I can usually even just 1v1 him.[/quote]

[quote=Re4XN][quote=DisturbedFox]u dodge skillshots. If he's too fed and can auto+E to kill you, you buy GA/BT[/quote] [quote=Vapora Dark]BT helps, as do 6th item GA and Sterak's. Also if you're playing [[tristana]] you can just W backwards as he's getting out of his ult and he has to use W+Flash to catch back up to you, and even then you can just ult him away. I've always been able to get away with offensive builds on Trist vs Zed since she's so hard for him to burst, and if he's not super ahead I can usually even just 1v1 him.[/quote] Thanks for the help. I figured BT would help a bit, it's just that sometimes it is not enough/there's nothing to hit. Also, I have tried playing [[Tristana]], but I failed horribly. The ADCs I am better at are [[Jhin]] and [[Miss Fortune]]. I will try others out, but I'm currently focusing on learning these two (with more emphasis on MF, since I think I'm an okay Jhin player). EDIT: Just wanted to add that I tried building [[Sterak's gage]] on [[Jhin]] and it worked as intended, saving me from his ultimate. What do you think about this item?[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Re4XN]EDIT: Just wanted to add that I tried building [[Sterak's gage]] on [[Jhin]] and it worked as intended, saving me from his ultimate. What do you think about this item?[/quote] Am I happy about being forced to build [[sterak's gage]] on ADC? No. Does it do its job of keeping me from dying 2 seconds into a fight? Yes. Ideally you would want items that do more damage but you don't do damage if you're dead, so sometimes sacrifices must be made. Building Sterak's instead of more damage sometimes is one of those situational sacrifices.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]honestly speaking you just have to view him as an assassin and position better. it's as simple as that. if a talon or fizz jump on you and use all their spells on u will you survive? probably not. aside from resistances u can buy which aren't ideal for an adc, there is no definite counterplay vs a role that's essentially designed to one shot people that isn't good positioning zed is in a similar situation with his crucial damage spells being his Q R auto and passive. Most of that comes from the Q damage from his two shadows and zed himself. most of the times in order for him to successfully one shot someone mid to late game he needs to land his shurikens. If you dodge his shurikens and stay next to your team most of the time if he's not fed you will survive. playing against zed is mainly a combination of understanding his damage potential and knowing when you can position aggressively without dying and positioning safely.[/quote]

[quote=ArbysWifi]although most of these items work you can also probably build Phantom Dancer and at least AA Zed 1 time for the 12% damage reduction and that might save you a bit and also get something like frozen mallet for some tank/damage to save you a bit, in my opinion it is a more situational than GA but it is more practical against the rest of the enemy team[/quote]