Delaying Make It Rain

[quote=jamespongebob]I've seen a lot of people lately not taking a point in [[miss fortune]]'s [[make it rain]] until level 13, and I have to question, is that the right thing to do? I mean, I know it's really important to take advantage if MF's really powerful laning phase, considering her late game becomes really really bad in comparison to other marksmen, but waiting out a skill that long seems wrong to me. It's her only form of CC, weak as it is, and does help with some pushing. I'm just wondering what are your thoughts. Thank you.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Depends on the game for me. If I'm getting ganked 24/7 I get a point in early to help with the kiting. Usually it isn't worth getting because you run out of mana quite fast.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]As MissMaw told me ages ago, it's a super useful skill and it goes well with your ultimate.[/quote]

[quote=-NA- Veng Lmfao]How long are we talking here? Make it rain used to be a lot stronger than it is now lol.[/quote]

[quote=jamespongebob]I'm mostly referring to level 13. I've been working on and off on a [[miss fortune]] guide, and I know that MF is a sort of middle to low tier marksman as of now, mainly due to her lack of CC and the fact that she scales horendously bad into lategame. What I was thinking is making a build which focuses on making her incredibly aggresive during the laning phase, so she can snowball into midgame. Then, finish the game as soon as possible. @IceCreamy and Luizdeh Thanks for the opinion. I'm mostly for the pick-it-up-by-level-four side, but I'm getting pestered by the fact that maxing your Q and W before even taking a point in [[make it rain]] makes you a lot more powerful early on, which is what I'm aiming for.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]You could also go the middle way and pick it up at level 8, so you have it when teamfights break out, yet you're still strong in lane with an extra point to spend in Q/W. Anyways I haven't played MF in like a year, like you said she's pretty weak atm unless part of a wombo combo.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I'd probably just get it at level 4. It's pretty crappy overall, but you never know when being able to check a brush from long range or slow people might save your ass. You really don't get a whole lot for putting a second point in W anyhow, especially since they nerfed it. Edit: Apparantly W gave +2 damage per level before they nerfed it too, TIL.[/quote]

[quote=jamespongebob][quote=Luther3000] I'd probably just get it at level 4. It's pretty crappy overall, but you never know when being able to check a brush from long range or slow people might save your ass. You really don't get a whole lot for putting a second point in W anyhow, especially since they nerfed it. Edit: Apparantly W gave +2 damage per level before they nerfed it too, TIL. [/quote] [quote=IceCreamy]You could also go the middle way and pick it up at level 8, so you have it when teamfights break out, yet you're still strong in lane with an extra point to spend in Q/W. Anyways I haven't played MF in like a year, like you said she's pretty weak atm unless part of a wombo combo.[/quote] W still gives +2 damage per level, if I'm correct. But yeah, thanks for the insights. [size=1];_;why noone play mf anymore? oh yeah, adc are now split into two factions; broken champs like [[lucian]] and [[jinx]] and useless weaklings ;_;[/size][/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Yeah, that's what I meant, I thought that it used to give more than it does now. I honestly would disagree with that though, I don't think AD carry balance is bad at all compared to other roles. Almost all picks are viable, the fotm just stand out slightly from the mid-tier in terms of damage, laning power or safety/reliability. MF for example is still a strong laner and is pretty good later assuming you can actually get off your ult, but otherwise she offers nothing compared to any other pick and it's really not that hard to stop her ult and murder her. A few more minor nerfs to Jinx and Lucian and you'd start to see a different set of OP picks to replace them, but there's always some champions that are slightly above the rest and that's never going to change.[/quote]

[quote=jamespongebob][quote=Luther3000] Yeah, that's what I meant, I thought that it used to give more than it does now. I honestly would disagree with that though, I don't think AD carry balance is bad at all compared to other roles. Almost all picks are viable, the fotm just stand out slightly more in terms of damage, laning power or reliability. MF for example is still a strong laner and is pretty good later assuming you can actually get off your ult, but otherwise she offers nothing compared to any other pick and it's really not that hard to stop her ult and murder her. A few more minor nerfs to Jinx and Lucian and you'd start to see a different set of OP picks to replace them, but there's always some champions that are slightly above the rest and that's never going to change. [/quote] Hopefully they will get nerfed though. Maybe I've just been having bad luck and all, but I always see Jinx and Lucian destroying bot. I doubt there'll be any more additions to the marksmen roster though, and I'll have to agree that other lanes have even worse balance.[/quote]