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Getting out of Elo hell.

Creator: timesource1 January 31, 2012 12:35pm
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Jan 14th, 2011
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and at other times my score doesn't reach past 20 mins because while i'm busy owning my lane, the other lanes are dying. the hell.

If you're an amazing player, as much as you say you are, your team has a smaller chance of doing worse. It's general maths.

Of course, since it's chance, you might have 5 losses in a row. After, say, 200 games though, your ranked score WILL even out, just persist!

Reasoning as to why you don't believe it? I presented a sound, valid argument that makes sense, and is factual, you dismissed it because you didn't want to believe it.
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Jul 20th, 2011
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Maybe if you told us which champions you were playing we could help you more?

Right now you're giving off the impression of a ranged AD Carry in bot, which IMO can't impact late game as hard as mid or top without a strong early game. If this is true, and your team really does suck, then don't go bot. If your team sucks, your support will suck. If the support sucks, bot sucks.

Take a solo lane. If you win a solo lane then it's kind of hard to lose because of the 4-5 level difference. Or you could jungle Skarner and instawin.
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so if that is true, then why am i still losing if my score is so great?
average score
KILLS: 6 - 15
DEATHS: 0 - 4
ASSISTS: 15 - 30

** other times my death reaches 5 -6. That happens ONLY during late game. And that happens when my team has fed the other team to the point that i can't carry the team anymore.

If you are a good player, your 15-0-30 scores will result in wins.
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Aug 23rd, 2011
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no it doesn't result in wins.

1. my team THINNKS that they are the ones who are strong AND end up wandering around. I tell them to stop wandering around because if they DO we'll get ace. But they still do. ANd i can't exactly leave the base can I???
2. one of my teammates got fed; therefore, ended up wandering around = died. Lost late game.
3. Don't even reach 20 mins because teammate at other lane ended up with 5-6 deaths in just 20 mins. what the heck???
4. team got too comfortable = tell them to stay at the base where we can def with turrets = team insists on staying in the bushes = opponent has better positioning = massacre.

It's so freaking depressing T_T

my highest scores come from caitlyn then ryze. Sivir has 0 loses.
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Aug 23rd, 2011
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and the weird part is? it happens every single freaking time. WHY????
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Aug 23rd, 2011
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Ok i have proven that you need a good team to win. No you can't win by urself. Well yes there are those games where you can win by urself but generally you need a good team to win. No matter how hard you carry if ur team is not good, then ur efforts will go to waste.

Way to get out of elo hell?

Pray and hope and use every single thing to ask for a team that is good. Really. I just won now because EVERYONE in my team was playing their champs the way they were supposed to. No greed etc. Sighness.

Just cmong back after my 2nd win.

Ok i have really proven it. There cannot be just 1 champ who is dominating. There has to be 3. And no one should mess up. Messing up = instalose. So at least 3 dominating champs = each lane prevents their lane from being big (gosh i love cass) and being strong
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Darcurse wrote:

You named it.
There are 2 guys doing Duo in Solo queue and that's that.
If you wanna climb Elo in Soloqueue get yourself a mate, one of Riot's most ******ed ideas ever.

they're not

I meant 2 individual players doing this
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Jan 9th, 2012
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Stop QQ.

You seems so pessimistic and unconfident about going in ranked, you should never go in.

Today a friend (1388 elo) invited me (1448) for a game, i did'nt see it was ranked before pick/bans were going on. Picked leesin for him, he picked me soraka to carry the Corki.
In chat box, some ppl flamed eachother, it seemed they met the game before and things didnt go well. There was a solotop teemo and a Ziggs pick (at low elo, new champs and teemo are quite scary if in your team ...)
Early was close (9-8), then we won in 30 min, teemo raping a bad wukong, ziggs ****ting on Leblanc (he ended with 13/2/x) who was not able to W Q R (W back)

My friend was very depressed seing those picks (i admit i was too), but eryone farmed well, teemo and ziggs won their lane, built nicely etc.
Bot lane were alistar + trist, alistar was super bad, corki outfarmed the trist and got some kills and trinity+IE in no time.
Their jungle, jax, was doing ok.
Bad people can be in the other team, keep it in mind.

-> trust a little in your mates, dont give up. Seeing all your posts (discover that "edit" button plz), you have a "loser-mind" when you queue.
Dont play ranked everytime, play with friends, practice in draft normal, try some stuff in blind normal. When youre in a winning streak, well, try one ranked.
And be the real good gamer you think you are, some ppl think they dont deserve their elo, think that they can AD carry well but holy **** they dont even know when to not poke or last-hit properly (same goes for AP)

PS : Discover your OP champ you win lanes and games with. For me it's Karthus and Olaf, they fit my playstyle of AP or tanky bruiser. Dont play everychamp, be good with 3 at each role, if possible that can't be easily counterpicked or can't fall behind.
English is not my native langage, I'm sorry about how painful to read my text are :c
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no i don't believe it. It happens every single time. And i'm so sick of it. You do ur job but if your team feeds the opponent it's USELESS>

you CAN'T not believe it, that's the whole point of 'proven'.

ok then. very simply said, you believe your Elo should be 2000. this means if you play at 1000-1200 Elo, you are better than the average player. the fact is, your team - in this situation - is getting 4 1000-1200 elo players (because you SHOULD be higher, and are thus better), and the enemy team is getting 5 of them.

the law of large numbers dictates that after enough games, you will reach the Elo you should be at.

you have no arguments, in your anecdotes the enemy team is always playing perfectly. i know it can feel like this sometimes, but if you'd really 'owned' your lane as you said - meaning you got the turret, kills on your direct opponent and are ahead in farm - the only way you will lost is if your teammates are really as bad as you say, which is very improbable, or the gold advantage is not as great as you think it is / you are not using the gold advantage well enough.

bottom line, with this mindset you will not succeed in solo que, have some practise, and improve the things you have control over like your last hitting skills. it's the only thing you can do. if you want a game without bad people, you should go play something single-player.
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Xenasis wrote:

If you're an amazing player, as much as you say you are, your team has a smaller chance of doing worse. It's general maths.

I'm not covering for OP (well, I dont even know him) or anything, but srsly:
Why do you guys fail to accept the, lets pick one of your phrases, "proven" fact, that ^THIS lower chance could happen more often than the higher one on a random individual?

MEANING (Watch out!)
That even with the "fact" that somebody could reach his correct Elo, he HAS to play harder and more often with more setbacks than in a game that would be 1on1.
Thus creating sth that some ppl correctly claim to be "Elo hell".

And with that in mind, this setback could be even worse, not letting you reach your Elo in the whole season.

And srsly @ Xenasis:
Your little post-its show is totally messed up logic.

Stating the sentence: "So you could think distripution is pure luck"
while suggesting that it IS pure luck giving yourself only slightly better odds.
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