Guinsoo's Rageblade on ADC ?

[quote=Orelsanpabon][quote=utopus] You're paying 2600 gold for: 30 AD up to 32% bonus AS, contingent on autoattacking for 6-7 seconds straight. IF YOU'RE BELOW 50% HEALTH: 20% bonus AS 10% Lifesteal I'd much rather have a [[blade of the ruined king]]. Same amount of damage, reliable AS, better Lifesteal, and a really good active. [/quote] It's about ADC with AP ratios, keep this in mind. I'll never build a [[Guinsoo's Rageblade]] on Caitlyn or Vayne ! I was mainly aiming at [[Ezreal]] , [[Tristana]] and [[Kog'Maw]] . For them, the 72 AP bonus will not be a waste. Of course, on an ADc who has no AP ratio, building it is meaningless. For instance, for Tristana, the 72 AP will bring 58 additional damage to [[Rocket Jump]] , 72 additional damage to [[Explosive Shot]] and 108 to [[Buster Shot]] . You have to count this, it's not awesome but it really helps in Tristana's burst.[/quote]

[quote=Orelsanpabon][quote=RaNuD] [quote=Orelsanpabon] That hate against this item. :D You see this as an hybrid item (hybrid suck, I agree). I see this as an AD item, granting bonus damage on spells. :D [/quote] I love [icon=Guinsoo's Rageblade]. I like to get it on Nidalee when I am stomping top lane hardcore. Aaaaand that's it. Even then, I just enjoy it, I'm not 100% sure it's the best call, it just seems to fit the way I play. As for ADC, I get your point, but it feels wrong. Getting any item with more raw damage and/or auto-attack related stats looks much more natural to me, since you WILL get items such as [icon=Bloodthirster], [icon=Infinity Edge], [icon=Phantom Dancer], etc. The point is, Crit, DMG, AS and ArPen all scale powerfully together, where spellvamp barely does scale. I'm not even mentionning AP. I like your idea and determination, but I believe you should let this one go :p [/quote] In fact, I should not talk about "ADC" in general. I was focusing on only 3-4 ADC's, who can scale well with AP, that will bring good damage to their burst. I'm pretty sure that the thing would work well for Kog'Maw, for instance. But well, if you all think that it's not the case... I'll give up on this forum, but I'll continue to think about it, and try it with my Koggy. :D[/quote]

[quote=animorte]Stop throwing out all this hatred for [[Guinsoo's Rageblade]]. If you don't like it, don't use it. I personally love utilizing the most cost effective item in the game. For champions who scale well with AP and use AS quite well, it will always have a place for me.[/quote]

[quote=Quite Nomible]I see this item scaling quite good on [[Kog'Maw]]. He scales kinda hybrid-ish, and he likes the attack speed with each auto-attack combined with his [[bio-arcane barrage]]. The only thing I don't like about this item is that the passive is granted on a certain amount of health, so it isn't really reliable to wait for that. Also the big problem with what you need to replace it with...[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe][quote=Orelsanpabon] It's about ADC with AP ratios, keep this in mind. I'll never build a [[Guinsoo's Rageblade]] on Caitlyn or Vayne ! I was mainly aiming at [[Ezreal]] , [[Tristana]] and [[Kog'Maw]] . For them, the 72 AP bonus will not be a waste. Of course, on an ADc who has no AP ratio, building it is meaningless. For instance, for Tristana, the 72 AP will bring 58 additional damage to [[Rocket Jump]] , 72 additional damage to [[Explosive Shot]] and 108 to [[Buster Shot]] . You have to count this, it's not awesome but it really helps in Tristana's burst. [/quote] So you buy the Guinsoos to get more AP on your ADC? You know how rediculous that sounds right? [quote=animorte]Stop throwing out all this hatred for Guinsoo's Rageblade. If you don't like it, don't use it. I personally love utilizing the most cost effective item in the game. For champions who scale well with AP and use AS quite well, it will always have a place for me.[/quote] Yes, we are all just being mean to Guinsoo's because he is such a jerk. We are talking about Guinsoos on ADC, not about Guinsoos on a hybrid champ.[/quote]

[quote=Orelsanpabon]@Meiyjhe : Hm. I'll have to remind you of the fact that Guinsoo, for 2600g, grants 3300g of AD + AS + LS. AP is a bonus, that is useful even on an ADC who has high AP ratios. As Quite Nomible said, the AP will give to Kog'Maw more powerful auto-attacks. And for all the others, having 200 additional damage on the burst is still a good thing. Even if you are an ADC, during a fight you use your spells. :)[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu]Or you could get something like [[last whisper]] instead and do damage.[/quote]

[quote=I post stuff]Oh one thing I forgot to mention (not related to ADCs) is that you can keep the 8 stacks permanently outside of battle if your champion has a low cost spammable ability.[/quote]

[quote=Kuukai85]And.. [[Miss Fortune]]? Doesn't it proc with her W passive? I can't to the math so i don't know if it worths the buy but i know that someone can do it :D[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=Kuukai85] And.. [[Miss Fortune]]? Doesn't it proc with her W passive? I can't to the math so i don't know if it worths the buy but i know that someone can do it :D [/quote] [[Impure Shots]] only scales with 5% AP, so even at max stacks of Guinsoo's you're only getting 3.5-ish extra damage on it. Which means that max stacks of Impure Shots is only worth some 17.5-ish extra damage from the AP. The AD on Guinsoo's is worth more autoattack damage than its AP, even with everything maxed out. You're far, far, far better off building a regular ADC item.[/quote]