Havoc

[quote=MrNicholas]Is the damage from [[Havoc]] factored in before or after magic resist mitigation?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Before. It increases the damage that you do after all the other math from skills is factored in. Say I'm Lee Sin with 21/9/0 masteries and full [[Havoc]]. If I hit with Sonic wave and then resonating strike, the extra 1.5% damage increase will be tacked onto resonating strike [b]after[/b] the bonus damage for %HP missing and AD scaling ratio, but [b]before[/b] armor comes into play.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]as lugi said. it buffs damage before reducing for armor/mr[/quote]

[quote=MrNicholas]Thanks guys! One step closer to finishing my guide :)[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Haha, funny thing is that it doesn't matter. Armor/MR is multiplicative and so is havoc. The only case it would make a difference in would be if the enemy had [[Indomitable]], because that's a flat amount of damage reduction.[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17]Is Havoc even worth it, though? I mean, even if you are doing 1000 damage (which is pretty insane), 3 points only adds 15 damage. Early on when you're doing 60-100 damage, it's only adding about 1-2 damage. Is this something worth putting points in?[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]Either that or some little life steal.[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17]Lifesteal at least stacks with [[doran's blade]] and other lifesteal items. It also gets Wriggles back to where it was before it was nerfed. I just can't see [[havoc]] actually contributing much.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]It would be ok if it actually needed only 1 point. Cant get the point distribution anyway: Offense:44; Defense:37; Utility:38 Whys that?[/quote]

[quote=Mastarwe]probably because offense needed to have masteries for both AD and AP?[/quote]