Is Hybrid Dead?

[quote=Ommadawn]There are loads of champions who could be played hybrid with the right items. Jax, Teemo and Kayle are the obvious ones, but there's loads of champs that have abilities with multiple scaling paths or mixed damage types in their kit. Corki, Ez, Volibear, Sion, Tf and Shaco to name but a few. The problem is very few of the hybrid items are worth buying. Wits End is the obvious exception, but most of the other items are either not worth wasting early farm when you can spare the item slot (malady, rageblade) or expensive money hogs that don't pack anywhere near as much punch as, say and IE/PD combo (hextech, nashors tooth, bloodrazor). Trouble is if you beef them up to the offensive level of IE/PD you'll likely send some champs way over the top (old akali). I think Riot are better off adding defense to them to allow them to fit into the kit of bruisers who want to utilize their kit in a different way.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Being hybrid OR having 1-2 skills which scale with AP as AD champ (or other way around) are two totally different things.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing][quote=Darcurse] Being hybrid OR having 1-2 skills which scale with AP as AD champ (or other way around) are two totally different things. [/quote][/quote]

[quote=BluAnimal][quote=Ommadawn] There are loads of champions who could be played hybrid with the right items. Jax, Teemo and Kayle are the obvious ones, but there's loads of champs that have abilities with multiple scaling paths or mixed damage types in their kit. Corki, Ez, Volibear, Sion, Tf and Shaco to name but a few. The problem is very few of the hybrid items are worth buying. Wits End is the obvious exception, but most of the other items are either not worth wasting early farm when you can spare the item slot (malady, rageblade) or expensive money hogs that don't pack anywhere near as much punch as, say and IE/PD combo (hextech, nashors tooth, bloodrazor). Trouble is if you beef them up to the offensive level of IE/PD you'll likely send some champs way over the top (old akali). I think Riot are better off adding defense to them to allow them to fit into the kit of bruisers who want to utilize their kit in a different way. [/quote] Then with your logic [[jarvan iv]] and [[fiora]] are hybrids.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Well, with J4 passive doing magic dmg back then, on-hit was really funny.[/quote]

[quote=Ommadawn]^^ Didn't say they WERE hybrids, just that they could be built that way if the right items were implemented. Of course Fiora and J4 will never be hybrids as they have very little AP scaling in their kit.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Many others too. Because they have 2 AP spells doesn't mean anything. Hecarim is a good example: He uses his ulti for movement and CC and his lifeleech aura is just that. Champs like Yi and Sion proofed that they can do well on both, at least in certain situations/combinations. Well, having some good hybrid items out would indeed make playing them dual a viable way, BUT with the current setting, throwing such items at us Riot would simply create the new "OP". If I can do a ranked SR and face a pure AD carry or AP caster with a hybrid Sion, I'd simply roflstomp anything.[/quote]

[quote=Ommadawn]I would say that any char with decent AP scaling and a kit that encourages auto attacks (or any other physical scaling) "could" in the right situations with the right items be built hybrid. They scale with AP and they utilize the physical damage so in theory it could work. But yes it's all academic because for one reason or another most of the hybrid items in the game are pretty terrible right now.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]wud dis help? =3 Razor, The Swordstaff Stinger+ Needlessly Large Rod+360g=3050g +85 AP +45% AS UNIQUE Passive: 15% CDR UNIQUE Active: For 6 seconds, your auto-attacks splash 27 true damage to surrounding enemies (300 range)(60 seconds CD)[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=Pheyniex] wud dis help? =3 Razor, The Swordstaff Stinger+ Needlessly Large Rod+360g=3050g +85 AP +45% AS UNIQUE Passive: 15% CDR UNIQUE Active: For 6 seconds, your auto-attacks splash 27 true damage to surrounding enemies (300 range)(60 seconds CD) [/quote] No. The AP + AS + CDR niche is already filled quite well, with [[Nashor's Tooth]]. But no one builds it. Because no one wants AP + AS + CDR in a single item without also including tanky stats.[/quote]