New theorycrafting thread about jungle Sion

[quote=NicknameMy]You remember this Inhouse battle? [img]http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/aaannn/May3game1.png[/img] Well, since then, many things have changed and my build did change drastically aswell. Especially the recent TF-change was a big impact on it. As far as you all know, Riot wants to be that Sion is a big lifesteal tank. But, isn't he actually it already? He has high base damage, similar to his similar friend [[Dr. Mundo]] and can really abuse this combined with his ultimate to build super tanky while still dealing good damage and be nearly unkillable. I recently played him again and used the following build: [runes=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/rune-page-planner#&rune=293:9-277:9-320:9-262:9] Basically the same as ever, Sion's base AS sucks and you need to compensate that. [masteries=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=1-3-0-0-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree2=0-0-4-2-3-0-1-2-0-1-0-1-3-3-0-0-0-0-1&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2] Tanky stats + AS, everything what Sion needs. [abilities=weqwwreeeerwwqqrqq champion="Sion"] The most interesting part here I would say is that i first bring the shield to level 3. While this lowers the amount of HP you gain from the jungle, the numbers are rather minimal and the shield makes you nearly immune to any damage from jungle camps, together with the spirit items you can use it also regulary. You also deal this way more burst at ganks and it is way easier to towerdive. [icon=smite size=64] [icon=exhaust size=64] [[smite]] is used on any jungler for obvious reason. With [[phage]], it is also an exclusive mini-shurelia's for you, which [[Sion]] really can abuse. [[exhaust]] on [[sion]] similar to [[exhaust]] on [[master yi]] or [[dr. mundo]]. You do not need [[flash]] or [[ghost]] and you can use it very well for dueling or ganking. [items=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=151-168-86-165-51-64-182-102-56-145-63] As you can see, I only build defense early and damage only in oversized games where you would need the bonus damage lategame in order to deal with the enemies. This makes you an unkillable frontline. I know, Sion is far from perfect and needs his rework (in S4). But if you don't want to play Sion AP, I would say, this is the best playstyle how to play him. What do you think about that?[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]sion has a 1.5 second stun and no real gap closer why wouldnt you get flash? people get exhaust on yi and shyvana because they dont have cc for ganks other than the slow on red buff[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]"This is the best playstyle..." Nope. You wanna play AD Sion: Do it like GrandmistressD and her Nasus: Go top! Strong AD tank + Chaser build.[/quote]

[quote=Kaggboer2012]lol sion doesnt need flash or ghost? wut?[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]1. AD [[Sion]] needs to farm 2. Any [[Sion]] should farm 3. LvL1 [[Sion]] has [u]negative[/u] sustain, presuming you start with E. W start is a bit too slow unless you want to pop it. 4. Without [[Flash]] or [[Ghost]] your ganks will probably suck. 5. Hold your pants and wait for a rework. I belive most of us are tired of this.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]W start, you start the shield 1:51 at blue and pop it when it is nearly destroyed. The same technique you use at red buff, this way you deal more damage and actually take less damage. It is also stronger at early ganks. I only need a maximum of 2 health pots to clear both camps, though I could even finish with none used. Sion doesn't have a way to gain back live, but he can ignore most of the damage with [[feel no pain]] and [[Death's Caress]]. And exhaust is a great gank tool aswell. You stun someone, walk up and exhaust him, this gives both you and your teammate more options than [[flash]] or [[ghost]] ever would. It also makes you a big threat for the enemy ad-carry later in the game and allows you to duel in the jungle. Also, you know [[dr. mundo]]? Tanky [[sion]] is way less gold reliant than AD [[sion]]. This is again a similar thing to how [[dr. mundo]] works. He just needs [[spirit of the ancient golem]] and [[phage]] to be already super tanky and have enough MS for ganks. Also, it was a funny game with me as jungle [[sion]] and a top lane ad [[sion]]. Wrecked his ass all game long.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]Give me one good reason you would pick [[Sion]] over all the other good junglers out there. And no, the inhouse doesn't count as one.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]If i need a full meat shield similar to Dr. Mundo, but I need more phyiscal damage than magic damage.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Have people played it before? Yes. People have played Sion as a tanky AD LONG BEFORE YOU HVAE. Therefore it's not original and it's not theorycrafting if its already been played. Don't bullshit about "perfecting" something. Why hasn't it been played a lot? BECAUSE IT'S SUBOPTIMAL. People have tried it through THE OPTIMAL PLAYSTYLES AND BUILDS and still have had poor results. Conclusion: IT'S NOT PERFECT. General way to theorycraft: Find topic --> Test with optimal setups with PROPER KNOWLEDGE --> Is it good? Yes - Play more, it becomes mainstream No - It dies out. seriously if you can't theorycraft properly just stop. people prefer organized and effective theorycrafts that actually have proper logic behind them.[/quote]