Real talk how do I stop graves on bottom

[quote=DEWO]If your friend plays Cait and has problems with Graves... than he should pick another champion :) How can possibly Cait have problems in lane with Graves? Her range is so superior to his...[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Cait and Kog are at least as OP as Graves atm. Pick one of them and play better than the Graves player and you will win the lane.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]My buddy claims that Sivir counters Graves. He -did- destroy a Taric/Graves combo bot with Sivir. I have no idea how he did it, lulz.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]inb4 Sivir the next OP[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]He keeps saying she is. I've known Sivir was good for eternities but I have -no- idea what he's doing to win these lanes.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]The majority of Harass from Graves is from his Q. it's technically all counted as one shot in the case of spellshields so, 0 damage is applied. The animation is clear enough that you can see it coming and shield appropriately.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yyyyyyyyyyyyyerp. Caitlyn is similar. Her Q would be useless. I feel like it still doesn't explain completely walking on a player though. He gets kills and out-CS's guys pretty often with Sivir. Maybe he's just a really good Sivir. I dunno lol.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Shes one mean hit&run bitch against AD champs who uses one spell as main/sole harass. Most ppl tend to forget how to handle rare sightings like her. -> Evade her boomerang, after that she can only block one spell (not always, respectively you can threaten her to use it) If you have now some selfbuff/secondary offensive spell she'll be at a huge disadvantage early on. Normal Sivir players arent nothing but boomerang -> passiv+shield while retreating -> repeat -> ??? -> profit[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yeah I bait the shit of of Sivir's... All you do is right click them a lot and eventually they shield >:P[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Against good Sivir (generally good) players "baiting" isnt rly possibe ofc. But just take Graves for example: Use Quickdraw to get yourself in range for Bucket Shot, many player, out of reflex, tend to instantly activate shield. Works better if you make them believe that you always QD->BS by rly doing it a few times at the beginning. Should give you 1-2 attempts to get ahead while taking her down without wasting BS.[/quote]